World Cup VAR

marcus said:
Exactly. Its a good proportion
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Rugby Australia did some kind of review and from memory's its less than 1 in 10 which are reviewed. it was a few years ago, however I wouldn't have expected that figure to have changed dramatically....
 
Manchester_lalala said:
United fans think refs have got a conspiracy against them. It isn’t just City that get bad decisions given against them.
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Yes, their fans think that, like the bin dippers fans do too. However both clubs know exactly how they are treated, hence they voted against it and will never vote for VAR as it will level the playing field for all the other 16 teams significantly...
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Thankyou VAR - And bye bye Germany !

Those against this coming into the game. Get a grip!
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Give it a rest ! How many times do people have to say what we are against is subjective penalty decisions that are 50/50. As we have said all along Offside s and where incidents happen yes use VAR. Any thing else e.g. dodgy pens never never never !!
 
Bluearmy said:
Yes, their fans think that, like the bin dippers fans do too. However both clubs know exactly how they are treated, hence they voted against it and will never vote for VAR as it will level the playing field for all the other 16 teams significantly...
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West Ham fans do aswell.

Pretty sure all club fans.
 
peter.evans said:
Give it a rest ! How many times do people have to say what we are against is subjective penalty decisions that are 50/50. As we have said all along Offside s and where incidents happen yes use VAR. Any thing else e.g. dodgy pens never never never !!
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It's corrected loads of originally incorrect subjective ref decisions.. that isn't the issue. The issue is the consistency of when it's used, e.g. Argentina, Kane and Serbia incidents. All subjective but all clear pens, which would have been given but for some reason VAR didn't kick in. That's the issue. Not the subjectivity of it, the old system is the height of subjectivity...
 
Bluearmy said:
It's corrected loads of originally incorrect subjective ref decisions.. that isn't the issue. The issue is the consistency of when it's used, e.g. Argentina, Kane and Serbia incidents. All subjective but all clear pens, which would have been given but for some reason VAR didn't kick in. That's the issue. Not the subjectivity of it, the old system is the height of subjectivity...
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Really ? Subjective means some think it's a pen and others don't ! There s been loads of decisions that have been subject to the whims of whether the VAR panel think it's a pen or not and loads that haven't been given that many disagree with. It's a farce in terms of pens because it's just a matter of opinion. How many times do we have to say that !? It just can't work for pens. Offside and where an incident takes place yes but pens never.
 
peter.evans said:
Really ? Subjective means some think it's a pen and others don't ! There s been loads of decisions that have been subject to the whims of whether the VAR panel think it's a pen or not and loads that haven't been given that many disagree with. It's a farce in terms of pens because it's just a matter of opinion. How many times do we have to say that !? It just can't work for pens. Offside and where an incident takes place yes but pens never.
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‘Can’t work for pens’

What about the many clear fouls in the box where a Ref didn’t have a clear view - so gone to check VAR and clearly see it was a foul. That’s not working on subjectivity - that’s just allowing a Ref to have a better look at a incident he didn’t see in real time.
 
peter.evans said:
Really ? Subjective means some think it's a pen and others don't ! There s been loads of decisions that have been subject to the whims of whether the VAR panel think it's a pen or not and loads that haven't been given that many disagree with. It's a farce in terms of pens because it's just a matter of opinion. How many times do we have to say that !? It just can't work for pens. Offside and where an incident takes place yes but pens never.
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The real issue is the vagueness of the rules regarding fouls in general. They'd have to make them significantly more specific before you'd ever get consensus on 80% of challenges, but I'd still rather have a referee make his subjective call having seen exactly what happened using VAR.

You beat me to it @BlueHammer85 ! :-)
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Absoulutly spot on.

It’s annoying that VAR will get it right 9 times out of 10 but as soon as there’s a mistake it gets completely jumped on and the moaners come screaming out the woodwork totally forgetting how many times Refs with no help got decisions wrong.

Agree it also adds to the excitement
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If you think curtailing an instant celebration after a goal so you can watch the ref watch a telly then wait for the decision before re-celebrating or putting your head in your hands is exciting then yeah, it's brill.
 
stonerblue said:
If you think curtailing an instant celebration after a goal so you can watch the ref watch a telly then wait for the decision before re-celebrating or putting your head in your hands is exciting then yeah, it's brill.
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Spot on. Every single time City score a goal or there is a penalty incident from now on if we have VAR then there is no point in celebrating the goal until we've had it confirmed by mission control two minutes later.Absolutely ridiculous ! As for VAR giving the ref the opportunity to make the correct "subjective" decision 're a pen well iv e seen many decisions given in this world cup and our own cup competitions last year where in my Subjective opinion VAR got it wrong. That doesn't even cover the fact that these clowns are being very selective in what they believe should be reviewed or not e.g. the Kane penalties.
 
peter.evans said:
Really ? Subjective means some think it's a pen and others don't ! There s been loads of decisions that have been subject to the whims of whether the VAR panel think it's a pen or not and loads that haven't been given that many disagree with. It's a farce in terms of pens because it's just a matter of opinion. How many times do we have to say that !? It just can't work for pens. Offside and where an incident takes place yes but pens never.
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It just can't work for pens??? There's been 10 examples where it has. Where it's fallen down is where VAR didn't kick in for some strange reason (Kane, argies, Serbia). The VAR tech itself clearly shows the original decisions were incorrect. That's the area which needs addressing....

Case in point Columbia v Senegal just now. Refs gives a subjective decision to award a penalty... anyone with one brain cell can see from the replay it's the tackle of the tournament and the ref in his subjective opinion made an error. I'm not blaming the ref, from his angle it's understandable why he possibly thinks it's a pen. However, VAR in a few seconds clearly shows a better angle, that the tackle is superb. Ref sees this and agrees, no penalty. ITS THE REF WHO DECIDES HES MADE AN ERROR, SO WHATS THE ISSUE. He's changed his original subjective decision, to a better one with more evidence and less subjectivity. Perfect use of VAR and no team is cheated from an incorrect initial SUBJECTIVE decision. If subjectivity is your big issue, you should prefer VAR because it's less subjective than the old way of doing things...

As I said previously, the old system is subjective. The new system is subjective, just less so. So to favour one over the other because of subjectivity is ludicrous...

The issue has been it's not been consistently utilised. That's the area where it needs to improve. Seems to be improving as the tournament goes on, which is good to see. Works perfectly on Pens for 90% of decisions. Which is a vast improvement over the inept subjective existing corrupt system...
 
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