World Cup VAR

[moomba]

Much better than the status quo

Replacing one significantly flawed system with another significantly flawed system isn't the way to go imo.

I'd rather we be patient and get it right.

 

[BlueHammer85]

This would have normally been given before VAR, it’s cutting the cheating down

Neville. Noticed you didn’t respond to this one.
Forgetting everything else - you must agree it’s bloody nice a player can no longer get away with blatant diving and play acting now the ref has a opportunity to review ?

 

[moomba]

Neville. Noticed you didn’t respond to this one.
Forgetting everything else - you must agree it’s bloody nice a player can no longer get away with blatant diving and play acting now the ref has a opportunity to review ?

If the ref gets to review every time.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Replacing one significantly flawed system with another significantly flawed system isn't the way to go imo.

I'd rather we be patient and get it right.

But you’re giving both systems the same level.
When clearly VAR is having a far more success than the previous system.
This is VAR in its first major tournament should add.

 

[SWP's back]

The VAR has reviewed this post and decided it's the most pot-kettle-black moment in Bluemoon history.

Pmsl.

 

[BlueHammer85]

If the ref gets to review every time.

So far I’ve not seen a penalty given for blatent diving , have you ?
In any previous tournament they are given all the time.
That’s a major milestone

 

[SWP's back]

IMO the defender did try to make a play on the ball - still, it was a foul, he was the last man, and Croatia would clearly have scored absent the penalty. I'm not a rules expert, but parity suggests that the defender has to be sent off. On the Fox broadcast, Dr. Joe said the same. If I'm correct, this is a huge VAR error.

Hahaha. The only thing you got right was that you are not a rules expert.

That rule changed last summer. There’s now no triple punishment (pen, red and ban), it’s now just a pen and a yellow if it was a genuine attempt to play the ball.

 

[moomba]

So far I’ve not seen a penalty given for blatent diving , have you ?
In any previous tournament they are given all the time.
That’s a major milestone

So far one penalty has been ruled out. I know you're keen to talk up VAR but we're yet to see if we suffer the same inconsistency in referrals as wehavein other areas.

 

[BlueHammer85]

So far one penalty has been ruled out. I know you're keen to talk up VAR but we're yet to see if we suffer the same inconsistency in referrals as wehavein other areas.

But before VAR , in any other tournaments. Players do ridicolous dives and the refs give penalty’s - they simply can not give them nowadays when they replay the incident. Surely you must see that as a major plus ?

 

[Neville Kneville]

Neville. Noticed you didn’t respond to this one.
Forgetting everything else - you must agree it’s bloody nice a player can no longer get away with blatant diving and play acting now the ref has a opportunity to review ?

I've not even looked at it as it's irrelevant to what I'm talking about.

I'm not expecting v.a.r. to get every decision wrong or be terrible all the time.

I'm expecting it to treat every decision the same, right or wrong, so it can't be manipulated.

It doesn't. Which means it can be used to shape results without any question.

The more I see the Russia Spain game, the more it worries me.

 

[moomba]

But before VAR , in any other tournaments. Players do ridicolous dives and the refs give penalty’s - they simply can not give them nowadays when they replay the incident. Surely you must see that as a major plus ?

Only if all decisions are reviewed. I'm not convinced that will happen.

 

[CityInWashingtonState]

Hard to assess VAR following yesterday's games.

VAR was consulted several times in the Brazil v. Mexico and Belgium v. Japan matches - never overruling the on-field decisions. Each time this occurred, game delay was minimal. So in the sense that the game should keep moving in spite of VAR - today was a success.

Whereas, I think that the Mexican player (don't know how it was) who stepped on Neymar as he reached to pick up the ball - that's, IMO, a clear-cut red. VAR seemed to have been consulted here. If so, I think that VAR reached the wrong decision.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Hard to assess VAR following yesterday's games.

VAR was consulted several times in the Brazil v. Mexico and Belgium v. Japan matches - never overruling the on-field decisions. Each time this occurred, game delay was minimal. So in the sense that the game should keep moving in spite of VAR - today was a success.

Whereas, I think that the Mexican player (don't know how it was) who stepped on Neymar as he reached to pick up the ball - that's, IMO, a clear-cut red. VAR seemed to have been consulted here. If so, I think that VAR reached the wrong decision.

It's subjective if he 100% meant to step on him

 

[CityInWashingtonState]

It's subjective if he 100% meant to step on him

Agreed.

Still - that step on Neymar's ankle for me was 99.9% intentional - maybe in a US court of law where guilt beyond any shadow of doubt is required no red card would be adjudged - but anything below this bar - for me, it's a clear red.
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IMO, VAR should have awarded a red card here - yes, there's a very slight chance that the step was unintentional - but highly unlikely.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Poncey Neymar should have gone too for simulation.
He was trodden on, lightly, with a rubber stud, not undergone limb amputation without anaesthetic.

 

[CityInWashingtonState]

Poncey Neymar should have gone too for simulation.
He was trodden on, lightly, with a rubber stud, not undergone limb amputation without anaesthetic.

+1
But I don't think that rolling around on the pitch in fake simulation of injury is a cardable offense, unfortunately.
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Possible rule change to address this - if a player goes down for more than 15 seconds, said player is required to leave the pitch for 5 minutes unless substituted.

 

[Dewey6]

VAR for off sides and to correct diving pens I’m all for. But red cards, hand balls and shirt pulling no way. Those incidents should be left to the officials who have the feel for the game, particularly with holding and hand balls. There needs to be some interpretation at the time of the incident, once it goes to the VAR they have to rule by the letter of the law and it’s never that black and white.

As has been said plenty of times, the ability to justify nit picking pens will destroy us this season.

 

[Hart of the Matter]

VAR being used for yellows. Slippery slope....

 

[Jalfraag]

Where are the var cheerleaders?

 

[Neville Kneville]

Where are the var cheerleaders?

In the v.a.r. box same as last night.