Would any of our players fit into Barcelona's team ?

[Silvaslovechild]

Only Kompany would have any slight chance.

 

[stumpy_mcfc]

Only Tevez and this is because of his work rate on winning the ball back BUT he may lose out also for his selfishness - good for us. Bacra - it is pas the ball to others who can score.

 

[BlueGun]

Hart >> Valdez

Kompany ahead of ageing Puyol

Silva >> Pedro

Tevez >> Villa


End of discussion.

 

[TaylorWill07]

Hart >> Valdez

Kompany ahead of ageing Puyol

Silva >> Pedro

Tevez >> Villa


End of discussion.

this!

 

[Castiel]

Hart >> Valdez

Kompany ahead of ageing Puyol

Silva >> Pedro

Tevez >> Villa


End of discussion.

You realise Valdez has been consistently ranked in the top 10 keepers in the world in the IFFHS rankings with people like Casillas, Cesar, Cech and Buffon? Hart has never achieved that.

Predo and Villa have scored more than Tevez in all competitions, they just look like lesser strikers next to Messi. Silva couldn't score more than either of them, his competition would be with Xavi and Iniesta who he can't displace for Spain, let alone Barcelona.

Replacing Puyol with anyone is a ridiculous idea, his technical ability on the ball is as sound as the others and the leadership he brings to that team is irreplaceable.

 

[McKenzie'sGoalWasBetter]

Hart >> Valdez

You realise Valdez has been consistently ranked in the top 10 keepers in the world in the IFFHS rankings with people like Casillas, Cesar, Cech and Buffon? Hart has never achieved that..

Hart is a better keeper than Valdez regardless of these rankings, and I dont think there is much dispute about that.

 

[lee-mcfc]

giving my honest opinion only tevez and kompany would get into their team

 

[redmizzle]

Yaya, Silva, Balotelli, Kompany(maybe).

 

[TCIB]

i think most would "fit" depending on the tactics needed on a game to game basis.

 

[Dax777]

Hart >> Valdez

You realise Valdez has been consistently ranked in the top 10 keepers in the world in the IFFHS rankings with people like Casillas, Cesar, Cech and Buffon? Hart has never achieved that..

Hart is a better keeper than Valdez regardless of these rankings, and I dont think there is much dispute about that.

Actually there is. Most City fans would say Hart and most Catalans would say Valdez. But for me it really matters not who is the best shot stopper (even though I personally think Hart may be the better one) the key is the value they will both bring to Barca. Valdez is infinitely more comfortable with back passes under pressure and releasing it to a teammate. He is also better at releasing from his line to join the play, and because of this he is a way better goalie for Barca than Hart.

I keep telling folks, the key to the questions lies in the last 2 words of the OP's header "Barcelona's team." Now the answer to the original question shoots up a different answer than the answer to the question "who from City can start for Barcelona?"

The first question in my opinion asks "who will fit seamlessly into Barca?" To that question the answer: Kompany, Silva and Yaya is hardly disputable

As for the question who of our players will start for Barca, the answer is simply none, if you want the best team NOW! Granted if Tevez moves to Barca, Guardiola will probably squeeze him in somehow, like he did Henry and Ibra. But clearly Barca was the worse for it. It is no surprise that the exit of Henry and Ibra coincides with the 2011 Barca becoming in the eyes of most "the best club team ever!"

Similarly Tevez might be a better player than someone on the team (Pedro or perhaps Villa. I disagree but it is still an arguable claim) yet Tevez on for either of those 2, especially Pedro would result in a weaker, less fluid Barca. And thus he wouldn't be better.

The same argument could be made for Busquet ( who many if not most City fans believe is inferior to both Yaya and Nigel, a ridiculous claim in itself :P) But even if we assumed it to be true, they still would both not be half the player for Barca that Busquet is.

In short, being a better player and being good for Barca are 2 different things entirely.

And just to be clear, Silva is not better than Pedro as a striker, nor is Tevez better than Villa coming of the left (if at all), Kompany is not better than Puyol (granted they are in the same class), and while Hart is a better shot stopper, Valdez is a better goalkeeper.

Saying Harts is better than Valdez is like saying Carroll is better than Suarez, because Carroll is un-defendable in the air.

There is a reason why they are Barca and we are City. One is the the best club ever, the other a rising power house. It is not by chance or happenstance.<br /><br />-- Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:10 pm --<br /><br />

kompany would start 100%

If I write Kompany wouldn't start 100%" would that defeat your argument?

 

[brian the blue]

I said earlier in the thread that Hart, Kompany, Kolarov, Silva, Yaya and Balotelli would and I genuinely believe it.

I dont believe all this bullshit about Valdez and Casillas being great keepers. In my opinion they're not, as most of the time they do fuck all but when they're called upon they never produce. Hence why I'd prefer Hart in goal.

Kompany is a better defender than Puyol. Puyol is a small, slow centre half who can get away with it by playing in Barca's team. He's vastly over rated in my eyes and I don't think the fact he has captained them makes him good either.

Kolarov is a very good attacking full-back. But he gets caught out in England a few times because he isn't rapid. In Barca's team he wouldnt have to defend he'd just go up and down the touch line and play as a winger. His crossing and shooting is very good and he is a good passer too. He'd be in that team ahead of Adriano is it? easily.

Silva would be in that team ahead of Pedro. Pedro is a good player and is more direct than Silva but Silva's overall possession play is superior so therefore i'd have him in ahead of Pedro.

Yaya would be in ahead of Busquets easily. It was a joke he got replaced by him as I don't rate Busquets higher than Yaya and believe he's only in that team because he's Catalan. I'm not saying Busquets is a poor player I just think Yaya is better.

Finally Balotelli. Its a hard one as he isnt playing anywhere near what he knows he can. The lad is world class - he just had an on/off season here and struggled to settle. But if this lad plays like I believe he can then he'd be in that team ahead of Villa.

 

[TCIB]

brian the blue for prime minister :D

I agree mate, i think our squad is amazing as it is, people like to forget that the team only met 5 days before last season started.

 

[Dax777]

I said earlier in the thread that Hart, Kompany, Kolarov, Silva, Yaya and Balotelli would and I genuinely believe it.

I dont believe all this bullshit about Valdez and Casillas being great keepers. In my opinion they're not, as most of the time they do fuck all but when they're called upon they never produce. Hence why I'd prefer Hart in goal.

1. Just coz you don't believe it doesn't mean it isn't true. Casillas is no questions asked better than Hart.
2. In reality, when they are called on, they are often Magnificent. But it is the other things Valdez is good at, i.e. keeping possession with pin point passes and his quick release that makes him better than Hart for Barca. Keepers in the Prem just don't have the mind to do this consisitently

Kompany is a better defender than Puyol. Puyol is a small, slow centre half who can get away with it by playing in Barca's team. He's vastly over rated in my eyes and I don't think the fact he has captained them makes him good either.

Again he is built to play for Barca. The pinpoint passing, movement and understanding of spatial tactics is unmatched by anyone we have.

Kolarov is a very good attacking full-back. But he gets caught out in England a few times because he isn't rapid. In Barca's team he wouldnt have to defend he'd just go up and down the touch line and play as a winger. His crossing and shooting is very good and he is a good passer too. He'd be in that team ahead of Adriano is it? easily.

This has to be a clarkie, Kolarov is a poor crosser and a poor passer. Yes he can go up and down the line, but we the variety of offensive talent at Barca's disposal can you imagine how quickly Pepe would yank him and throw him to Barca B, if he pulls off those "dumb shots from impossible angles" he loves so much, or if he tries one of those never beats the first defender crosses of his.

It is obvious you don't watch much Barca, which is understandable, But Eric Abidal is the LB he'd have to beat out. And Abidal is a better LB than any player in the Prem. Not just Kolarov anyone! Defensively and offensively he is superior to Kolarov, and for my money the best passing leftback anywhere in the world. I must be falling for a Clarkie on this one. I am certain of it.
Silva would be in that team ahead of Pedro. Pedro is a good player and is more direct than Silva but Silva's overall possession play is superior so therefore i'd have him in ahead of Pedro.

Yaya would be in ahead of Busquets easily. It was a joke he got replaced by him as I don't rate Busquets higher than Yaya and believe he's only in that team because he's Catalan. I'm not saying Busquets is a poor player I just think Yaya is better.

Wether Yaya is better is arguable (I don't think he is but fair enough others may disagree) but whether Yaya is better for Barca system? is not in question. Busquet is so much better for Barca it is laughable there is a discussion. Barca got better when Busquet replaced Yaya, and he has gotten better since then. This is not even close.

Finally Balotelli. Its a hard one as he isnt playing anywhere near what he knows he can. The lad is world class - he just had an on/off season here and struggled to settle. But if this lad plays like I believe he can then he'd be in that team ahead of Villa.

Baotelli is like Ibra, may be a good player in his own right, but will make Barca worse. He just can't pass, play team football, or run as much or as effectively as Barca players do. He is one of those who would actually suck as a Barca player.

Oh! Here is a video of why Valdez will trump Hart for Barca everyday.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctDi7cROXyY[/youtube]
Hart is just not wired to do this consistently.

 

[adrianr]

I presume by the end of this topic we've decided on Kompany and that's it? Because he's the only one. You can't mess with Barcas attack. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it at all. Everyone plays a very important part of a very finely tuned system. The video above demonstrates why Valdes is a good choice of keeper (Though I don't honestly believe Hart couldn't do any of that if specifically told to do so - It's not exactly complicated eye of the needle passes he's making there, he's just not hoofing it). So Keeper sorted, everything from midfield forward sorted. Micah instead of Alves? No chance. Kola instead of Abidal? No chance. Lescott instead of Pique? No chance. Kompany instead of Puyol? The only possibility.

 

[Any1aBlue]

I said earlier in the thread that Hart, Kompany, Kolarov, Silva, Yaya and Balotelli would and I genuinely believe it.

I dont believe all this bullshit about Valdez and Casillas being great keepers. In my opinion they're not, as most of the time they do fuck all but when they're called upon they never produce. Hence why I'd prefer Hart in goal.

Kompany is a better defender than Puyol. Puyol is a small, slow centre half who can get away with it by playing in Barca's team. He's vastly over rated in my eyes and I don't think the fact he has captained them makes him good either.

Kolarov is a very good attacking full-back. But he gets caught out in England a few times because he isn't rapid. In Barca's team he wouldnt have to defend he'd just go up and down the touch line and play as a winger. His crossing and shooting is very good and he is a good passer too. He'd be in that team ahead of Adriano is it? easily.

Silva would be in that team ahead of Pedro. Pedro is a good player and is more direct than Silva but Silva's overall possession play is superior so therefore i'd have him in ahead of Pedro.

Yaya would be in ahead of Busquets easily. It was a joke he got replaced by him as I don't rate Busquets higher than Yaya and believe he's only in that team because he's Catalan. I'm not saying Busquets is a poor player I just think Yaya is better.

Finally Balotelli. Its a hard one as he isnt playing anywhere near what he knows he can. The lad is world class - he just had an on/off season here and struggled to settle. But if this lad plays like I believe he can then he'd be in that team ahead of Villa.

Arrant nonsence, pure and simple, all of it, from start to finish. But I respect you for committing so much effort to it......................It was Barcelona we were talking about - you know, the Champions League Winners?

 

[Castiel]

Excellent points Daxx, some people really have to wake up and smell the coffee. You could probably count the number of players from every other league in the world that'd make Barca's 11 on one hand.

I dont believe all this bullshit about Valdez and Casillas being great keepers. In my opinion they're not, as most of the time they do fuck all but when they're called upon they never produce. Hence why I'd prefer Hart in goal.

You really need to watch more CL football. Understandable that you'll love your own players but Hart doesn't hold a candle to Casillas.

 

[Mancio]

i stand on my case . the only one is balo.

 

[stumpy_mcfc]

Hart >> Valdez

You realise Valdez has been consistently ranked in the top 10 keepers in the world in the IFFHS rankings with people like Casillas, Cesar, Cech and Buffon? Hart has never achieved that..

Hart is a better keeper than Valdez regardless of these rankings, and I dont think there is much dispute about that.

Hart is also better Casillas and Cesar (if this is the Brazilian one) - no I am not mad on the Casillas - tell what make shim the worlds best, fantastic shot stopper (not sure this is true anymore) but nothing in other parts of his game makes him the best.

 

[Josh Blue]

Tevez for Villa

I think Silva could play a part in their team

Kompany could replace Puyol

I think De-Jong could be a very useful squad player

I would 100 percent rather have Micah than Dani Alves

 

[Dax777]

i stand on my case . the only one is balo.

On what basis. Balo makes so many elementary mistakes that get covered up by other amazing things he does in the game. Like running and eaving the ball behind, attampting exquisite passes that go horribly wrong. Poor pass decision making and delivery. Selfish one v ones. These things all seem little when you play at City, at Barcelona, they will keep you glued to the bench. You have to be able to the the basics consistently (i.e. 98% of the time correctly) before you even start doing the unnecesary. Balo would get weeded out early. Those boneheaded decisions will not be allowed. He is talented and can do amazing stuff, but his consistency is wack<br /><br />-- Thu Jun 02, 2011 2:26 pm --<br /><br />

Tevez for Villa

I think Silva could play a part in their team

Kompany could replace Puyol

I think De-Jong could be a very useful squad player

I would 100 percent rather have Micah than Dani Alves

The question is for Barca? not CIty!! Who will do better at what Barca does? Not City!!!

Bringing up Micah over Alves is an insult to the discussion