Would You Accept A Rapist Playing For City?

[Puppet Master Silva]

Well not really, how can sex crimes be differentiated, rapist of whatever the age of the person are sick bastards, so by saying it is without substance are u saying it's ok to rape a 17yo but not a 14yo, rape is rape no matter what the age is, it's a horrible crime...

I thought you were taking it to another low depth with your Child rapist thing. The girl in question was 19 not 17 but yes you are right they are sick bastards what ever age of the Victim. My Bad.

Nar just questioning some posters morals, some seem to think it's ok to have a rapist work in a high profile job just because they have served their time, I don't know the full circumstances of this particular case, so can't comment fully on it, but to say it's ok or so it appears, for someone to be seen as a role model, which as footballers they are, even after being convicted of rape is beyond me, which is why I put the child rape line in there, where do their moral indicators lie?would they say it's ok to be a footballer when convicted with one form of rape over another...

Well one is a more severe crime than the other, so obviously there's going to be differing opinions.

 

[SWP's back]

No, he's scum and the only time I'd like to see a rapist is in a MMA ring getting the shite kicked out of him. The worlds gone mad if we're to be told to accept cheering on someone who has wrecked another familes lives with such disregard.

I agree about people getting 2nd chances, we all make errors but rape is not an error. Let them rot!!!

I wouldnt defend rape, i would defend the right of a person who is convicted of a crime of the right to rejoin society. The point many here miss is that if you preclude that right you only increase the likelihood of reoffending as they are left on the margins of society.


Without the chance of rehabilitation the whole criminal justice system is pointless

A lot of it is pointless though Rasc.

Rape should have a sentence of 25 years if found guilty.

To rape someone you have to pick your victim, get them somewhere quiet, get an erection, over power them and then follow out the deed. Thats several moments where you could and would think wtf am I doing here and stop. The fact that they don't stop is what makes them an animal.

In the meantime someone has to recover from the substained physical injuries, bruises, lacerations, broken bones and strangulation. Then theres the mental scars which will never heal (I couldn't imagine how bad that must be). And it's not just the victim it's family friends and associates or the guilt of anyone that was out with the victim that night.

Rape is a life changing trauma for the victims.....so why should the likes of Evans get 2-3 years and then be allowed to just get on with his life or start again. The guy had several (as above) chances to stop what he was doing, to get a grip, however the as a decent member of society he didn't and thats why in my eyes he should still be in prison, banged up for another twenty years.

Why do we have to tolerate this??


This isn't aimed at you rasc, you're a much brighter man than me, but the "bloke done bad, serves time and then does good" can't be used on all criminals as the law it self is just shite and in many cases unjust.

You're not familiar with this case are you.

 

[SWP's back]

You are talking about a Pedophile a Nonce a sick bastard so your interjection is totally without substance.

Well not really, how can sex crimes be differentiated, rapist of whatever the age of the person are sick bastards, so by saying it is without substance are u saying it's ok to rape a 17yo but not a 14yo, rape is rape no matter what the age is, it's a horrible crime...

I thought you were taking it to another low depth with your Child rapist thing. The girl in question was 19 not 17 but yes you are right they are sick bastards what ever age of the Victim. My Bad.

Are you suggesting some rapes are not worse than others?

 

[Tanzeylee]

I thought you were taking it to another low depth with your Child rapist thing. The girl in question was 19 not 17 but yes you are right they are sick bastards what ever age of the Victim. My Bad.

Nar just questioning some posters morals, some seem to think it's ok to have a rapist work in a high profile job just because they have served their time, I don't know the full circumstances of this particular case, so can't comment fully on it, but to say it's ok or so it appears, for someone to be seen as a role model, which as footballers they are, even after being convicted of rape is beyond me, which is why I put the child rape line in there, where do their moral indicators lie?would they say it's ok to be a footballer when convicted with one form of rape over another...

Well one is a more severe crime than the other, so obviously there's going to be differing opinions.

We will have to disagree on that, as I see them as severe as each other, the only way I can see opinions being different is from an emotional point of view...

 

[blueincy]

If you know so much about the case why weren't you at court?

1) How do you know i wasn't? 2)What me being in court on the day has to do with anything is beyond me.

1) Probability.

2) That's where the case against and for the defendent was made.

Just reading up more on the case now http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_v_Evans_and_McDonald I going off what i'd read in the past about it.

What I did pick up on though.

She had drunk two glasses of wine, four double vodkas with lemonade, and a shot of sambuca. As a result, she told police she "felt tipsy but not out of control".
Samples taken from the victim at the time showed no alcohol, although the Crown claimed this was due to "elimination"?

The samples showed traces of cocaine and cannabis, although she denied taking the drugs on the night of the incident. Not denying she does them though.
Cocaine and cannabis just make you chat bollocks and think more about the bollocks you chat in my experience.

The victim claimed to have almost no memory of what happened between leaving a dancing session with friends and waking up the following morning, Great Friends leaving her alone I say.

Judge Merfyn Hughes QC stated in his sentencing remarks that: "The complainant was 19 years of age and was extremely intoxicated. CCTV footage shows, in my view, the extent of her intoxication when she stumbled into your friend. As the jury have found, she was in no condition to have sexual intercourse. When you arrived at the hotel, you must have realised that.
So why was Clayton McDonald acquitted after also admitting having sexual intercourse?

With that in mind "Hang the Twat" anyone who plays for a team with the rags name in it gets whats coming.

 

[117 M34]

Don't know the full details of the case but maybe McDonald was getting off with this girl in the club and invited him back and ched went back with him. She may have consented to McDonald - and if they were kissing or whatever in the club and he ended up back at hers, he would have a strong case for her giving him consent. Then maybe ched got 'tagged in' by his mate and he couldn't argue consent as there was no evidence of her having any interest in him.

I'm just considering scenarios that would see 1 get sent to prison and 1 get off.

 

[blueincy]

Well not really, how can sex crimes be differentiated, rapist of whatever the age of the person are sick bastards, so by saying it is without substance are u saying it's ok to rape a 17yo but not a 14yo, rape is rape no matter what the age is, it's a horrible crime...

I thought you were taking it to another low depth with your Child rapist thing. The girl in question was 19 not 17 but yes you are right they are sick bastards what ever age of the Victim. My Bad.

Are you suggesting some rapes are not worse than others?

Suggesting nothing of the sort rape is rape a sick act by sick people, but if asked the Question is one worse, in my mind rape against a Child sickens me more it's just the way i'm programmed.

All Child SO's should be branded with a branding Iron SO branded on their forehead IMO, so I and other parents know they walk amongst us.
Brady and Hindley should of swung with the rest.

 

[SWP's back]

I thought you were taking it to another low depth with your Child rapist thing. The girl in question was 19 not 17 but yes you are right they are sick bastards what ever age of the Victim. My Bad.

Are you suggesting some rapes are not worse than others?

Suggesting nothing of the sort rape is rape a sick act by sick people, but if asked the Question is one worse, in my mind rape against a Child sickens me more it's just the way i'm programmed.

I just think in Evan's that there but for the grace of God go I.

As an example I was having a conversation in the pub last night with a girl I am very good mates with about how on one occasion ages ago we'd got smashed and she had ended up staying at mine but neither of us could work out if we had had sex with each other when we had arrived home from a night clubbing and we still don't know to this day if we did.

Now if she had been so inclined, I am pretty sure I could have ended up in a lot of trouble.

 

[dobobobo]

1) How do you know i wasn't? 2)What me being in court on the day has to do with anything is beyond me.

1) Probability.

2) That's where the case against and for the defendent was made.

Just reading up more on the case now http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_v_Evans_and_McDonald I going off what i'd read in the past about it.

What I did pick up on though.

She had drunk two glasses of wine, four double vodkas with lemonade, and a shot of sambuca. As a result, she told police she "felt tipsy but not out of control".
Samples taken from the victim at the time showed no alcohol, although the Crown claimed this was due to "elimination"?

The samples showed traces of cocaine and cannabis, although she denied taking the drugs on the night of the incident. Not denying she does them though.
Cocaine and cannabis just make you chat bollocks and think more about the bollocks you chat in my experience.

The victim claimed to have almost no memory of what happened between leaving a dancing session with friends and waking up the following morning, Great Friends leaving her alone I say.

Judge Merfyn Hughes QC stated in his sentencing remarks that: "The complainant was 19 years of age and was extremely intoxicated. CCTV footage shows, in my view, the extent of her intoxication when she stumbled into your friend. As the jury have found, she was in no condition to have sexual intercourse. When you arrived at the hotel, you must have realised that.
So why was Clayton McDonald acquitted after also admitting having sexual intercourse?

With that in mind "Hang the Twat" anyone who plays for a team with the rags name in it gets whats coming.

I have no comment to make because I wasn't sat in court during the court case.

 

[blueincy]

Are you suggesting some rapes are not worse than others?

Suggesting nothing of the sort rape is rape a sick act by sick people, but if asked the Question is one worse, in my mind rape against a Child sickens me more it's just the way i'm programmed.

I just think in Evan's that there but for the grace of God go I.

As an example I was having a conversation in the pub last night with a girl I am very good mates with about how on one occasion ages ago we'd got smashed and she had ended up staying at mine but neither of us could work out if we had had sex with each other when we had arrived home from a night clubbing and we still don't know to this day if we did.

Now if she had been so inclined, I am pretty sure I could have ended up in a lot of trouble.

Having Sex with me is always a memorable occasion so i'm told by Girlfriends past and present what ever the state I'm in.

 

[dobobobo]

I thought you were taking it to another low depth with your Child rapist thing. The girl in question was 19 not 17 but yes you are right they are sick bastards what ever age of the Victim. My Bad.

Are you suggesting some rapes are not worse than others?

Suggesting nothing of the sort rape is rape a sick act by sick people, but if asked the Question is one worse, in my mind rape against a Child sickens me more it's just the way i'm programmed.

All Child SO's should be branded with a branding Iron SO branded on their forehead IMO, so I and other parents know they walk amongst us.
Brady and Hindley should of swung with the rest.

What about branding rapists?

Some child sex offenders abuse children because they also were abused as a child. Doesn't make it right, but I agree with Tanzylee's point that the two crimes can't be differentiated.

Adult rapist or child rapist playing for City, no thank you.

 

[NanaToure42]

As an example I was having a conversation in the pub last night with a girl I am very good mates with about how on one occasion ages ago we'd got smashed and she had ended up staying at mine but neither of us could work out if we had had sex with each other when we had arrived home from a night clubbing and we still don't know to this day if we did.

Now if she had been so inclined, I am pretty sure I could have ended up in a lot of trouble.

I'll give u the benefit of the doubt bro.

 

[blueincy]

1) Probability.

2) That's where the case against and for the defendent was made.

Just reading up more on the case now http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_v_Evans_and_McDonald I going off what i'd read in the past about it.

What I did pick up on though.

She had drunk two glasses of wine, four double vodkas with lemonade, and a shot of sambuca. As a result, she told police she "felt tipsy but not out of control".
Samples taken from the victim at the time showed no alcohol, although the Crown claimed this was due to "elimination"?

The samples showed traces of cocaine and cannabis, although she denied taking the drugs on the night of the incident. Not denying she does them though.
Cocaine and cannabis just make you chat bollocks and think more about the bollocks you chat in my experience.

The victim claimed to have almost no memory of what happened between leaving a dancing session with friends and waking up the following morning, Great Friends leaving her alone I say.

Judge Merfyn Hughes QC stated in his sentencing remarks that: "The complainant was 19 years of age and was extremely intoxicated. CCTV footage shows, in my view, the extent of her intoxication when she stumbled into your friend. As the jury have found, she was in no condition to have sexual intercourse. When you arrived at the hotel, you must have realised that.
So why was Clayton McDonald acquitted after also admitting having sexual intercourse?

With that in mind "Hang the Twat" anyone who plays for a team with the rags name in it gets whats coming.

I have no comment to make because I wasn't sat in court during the court case.

Close the Forum discussion over I wasn't at court also:)

 

[blueincy]

Are you suggesting some rapes are not worse than others?

Suggesting nothing of the sort rape is rape a sick act by sick people, but if asked the Question is one worse, in my mind rape against a Child sickens me more it's just the way i'm programmed.

All Child SO's should be branded with a branding Iron SO branded on their forehead IMO, so I and other parents know they walk amongst us.
Brady and Hindley should of swung with the rest.

What about branding rapists?

Some child sex offenders abuse children because they also were abused as a child. Doesn't make it right, but I agree with Tanzylee's point that the two crimes can't be differentiated.

Adult rapist or child rapist playing for City, no thank you.

If their abusers were branded I think they would of been in less of a position of being abused.

 

[1961_vintage]

I was having a conversation in the pub last night with a girl I am very good mates with about how on one occasion ages ago we'd got smashed and she had ended up staying at mine but neither of us could work out if we had had sex with each other when we had arrived home from a night clubbing

If that's true then perhaps you need to re-examine your technique.

 

[SWP's back]

I was having a conversation in the pub last night with a girl I am very good mates with about how on one occasion ages ago we'd got smashed and she had ended up staying at mine but neither of us could work out if we had had sex with each other when we had arrived home from a night clubbing

If that's true then perhaps you need to re-examine your technique.

Ho hum.

 

[dobobobo]

Suggesting nothing of the sort rape is rape a sick act by sick people, but if asked the Question is one worse, in my mind rape against a Child sickens me more it's just the way i'm programmed.

All Child SO's should be branded with a branding Iron SO branded on their forehead IMO, so I and other parents know they walk amongst us.
Brady and Hindley should of swung with the rest.

What about branding rapists?

Some child sex offenders abuse children because they also were abused as a child. Doesn't make it right, but I agree with Tanzylee's point that the two crimes can't be differentiated.

Adult rapist or child rapist playing for City, no thank you.

If their abusers were branded I think they would of been in less of a position of being abused.

Yep, I totally agree.

 

[SWP's back]

Some right fucking nutters on Bluemoon.

 

[dobobobo]

Some right fucking nutters on Bluemoon.

Which, in my opinion, you spend lengthy portion of your time on here interacting with.

 

[Rocket-footed kolarov]

What about branding rapists?

Some child sex offenders abuse children because they also were abused as a child. Doesn't make it right, but I agree with Tanzylee's point that the two crimes can't be differentiated.

Adult rapist or child rapist playing for City, no thank you.

If their abusers were branded I think they would of been in less of a position of being abused.

Yep, I totally agree.

If a rapist was branded on the forehead, and they still wanted to rape people when they were on the outside... do you not think that there might be some way they might cover this up? I.e. burn their face more, so we could have unfortunate people like Simon Weston the victims of hysterical rapist hunting mobs. The idea that we could stop people being raped by branding is simply moronic, what about the people who rape for the first time, or those who have evaded suspicion? If we made half of the male population eunachs you might assume rape would fall by a half, it isn't really a proportional response though is it?