Would You Accept A Rapist Playing For City?

[Petetheblu]

I wouldnt defend rape, i would defend the right of a person who is convicted of a crime of the right to rejoin society. The point many here miss is that if you preclude that right you only increase the likelihood of reoffending as they are left on the margins of society.


Without the chance of rehabilitation the whole criminal justice system is pointless

A lot of it is pointless though Rasc.

Rape should have a sentence of 25 years if found guilty.

To rape someone you have to pick your victim, get them somewhere quiet, get an erection, over power them and then follow out the deed. Thats several moments where you could and would think wtf am I doing here and stop. The fact that they don't stop is what makes them an animal.

In the meantime someone has to recover from the substained physical injuries, bruises, lacerations, broken bones and strangulation. Then theres the mental scars which will never heal (I couldn't imagine how bad that must be). And it's not just the victim it's family friends and associates or the guilt of anyone that was out with the victim that night.

Rape is a life changing trauma for the victims.....so why should the likes of Evans get 2-3 years and then be allowed to just get on with his life or start again. The guy had several (as above) chances to stop what he was doing, to get a grip, however the as a decent member of society he didn't and thats why in my eyes he should still be in prison, banged up for another twenty years.

Why do we have to tolerate this??


This isn't aimed at you rasc, you're a much brighter man than me, but the "bloke done bad, serves time and then does good" can't be used on all criminals as the law it self is just shite and in many cases unjust.

You obviously have no idea about what rape is. You seem to be basing your knowledge of it on an episode of cracker.

Rape is when you don't get consent. You don't have to be wearing a balaclava, holding a knife and stalking your victim. If your wife says no and you ignore that then that is rape. In ched's case he nailed a drunk girl who was too drunk to provide consent. A terrible crime but one that bears no relation to your ridiculous example.

Although I do like your example of a good lad would question himself mid rape and stop raping.

You're an idiot.

And what right have you to call me an idiot?

A little bit about me: I've spent 26 years as a paramedic working on a front line ambulance and in that time I've cared for and attended many rape victims, men, women and sadly children. I have seen on first hand the things I mentioned above, it's not fiction. Some of the victims have been raped moments before and some have later tried to take their own lives due to the mental torture, rape isn't something you just brush away I'm sorry to say goater.

I'm sad to think that you may think I've gained my knowledge from a TV program as all my knowledge is from real life incidents. Not all have broken bones, however I'm sure they'd all swap a broken bone for the mental scars that won't mend after six weeks.

I met family and friends of the abused and seen how it's destroyed relationships and I've seen fear in the eyes of the raped when I was just there to help.... I'm not going to go on anymore as quite frankly it hurts.

Thats my experience anyway, I'm not an idiot I'm just speaking from the heart. True I'm not the sharpish tool however on this one I will hold my own.

 

[SWP's back]

If their abusers were branded I think they would of been in less of a position of being abused.

Yep, I totally agree.

If a rapist was branded on the forehead, and they still wanted to rape people when they were on the outside... do you not think that there might be some way they might cover this up? I.e. burn their face more, so we could have unfortunate people like Simon Weston the victims of hysterical rapist hunting mobs. The idea that we could stop people being raped by branding is simply moronic, what about the people who rape for the first time, or those who have evaded suspicion? If we made half of the male population eunachs you might assume rape would fall by a half, it isn't really a proportional response though is it?

One solution the nutters may go for, kill everyone. At birth. Zero crime.

 

[blueincy]

If their abusers were branded I think they would of been in less of a position of being abused.

Yep, I totally agree.

If a rapist was branded on the forehead, and they still wanted to rape people when they were on the outside... do you not think that there might be some way they might cover this up? I.e. burn their face more, so we could have unfortunate people like Simon Weston the victims of hysterical rapist hunting mobs. The idea that we could stop people being raped by branding is simply moronic, what about the people who rape for the first time, or those who have evaded suspicion? If we made half of the male population eunachs you might assume rape would fall by a half, it isn't really a proportional response though is it?

Ok, castrate them on live TV PPV adult hour, if that doesn't reduce the amount of rapist and save the tax payer a heap nowt will.

By law in an Islamic state if your caught stealing, they can cut your hand off as a punishment.
Not many steal i will have you know.

In the isle of man when you were publicly whipped with the birch in the 70's crime was practically unheard of .

Bring back

 

[dobobobo]

If their abusers were branded I think they would of been in less of a position of being abused.

Yep, I totally agree.

If a rapist was branded on the forehead, and they still wanted to rape people when they were on the outside... do you not think that there might be some way they might cover this up? I.e. burn their face more, so we could have unfortunate people like Simon Weston the victims of hysterical rapist hunting mobs. The idea that we could stop people being raped by branding is simply moronic, what about the people who rape for the first time, or those who have evaded suspicion? If we made half of the male population eunachs you might assume rape would fall by a half, it isn't really a proportional response though is it?

On the basis that you left it out, I assume you agree to branding child rapists? Which, was part of the discussion.

 

[Petetheblu]

I wouldnt defend rape, i would defend the right of a person who is convicted of a crime of the right to rejoin society. The point many here miss is that if you preclude that right you only increase the likelihood of reoffending as they are left on the margins of society.


Without the chance of rehabilitation the whole criminal justice system is pointless

A lot of it is pointless though Rasc.

Rape should have a sentence of 25 years if found guilty.

To rape someone you have to pick your victim, get them somewhere quiet, get an erection, over power them and then follow out the deed. Thats several moments where you could and would think wtf am I doing here and stop. The fact that they don't stop is what makes them an animal.

In the meantime someone has to recover from the substained physical injuries, bruises, lacerations, broken bones and strangulation. Then theres the mental scars which will never heal (I couldn't imagine how bad that must be). And it's not just the victim it's family friends and associates or the guilt of anyone that was out with the victim that night.

Rape is a life changing trauma for the victims.....so why should the likes of Evans get 2-3 years and then be allowed to just get on with his life or start again. The guy had several (as above) chances to stop what he was doing, to get a grip, however the as a decent member of society he didn't and thats why in my eyes he should still be in prison, banged up for another twenty years.

Why do we have to tolerate this??


This isn't aimed at you rasc, you're a much brighter man than me, but the "bloke done bad, serves time and then does good" can't be used on all criminals as the law it self is just shite and in many cases unjust.

You're not familiar with this case are you.

Honestly no SWP'S, but he's still a rapist and wouldn't get a welcome from me.

I understand it wasn't a brutal rape due to there being no fight from a comatose female however it was calculated and he had many chances to think what the fuck am I doing, very sadly he didn't.....so fuck him!!

 

[dobobobo]

Yep, I totally agree.

If a rapist was branded on the forehead, and they still wanted to rape people when they were on the outside... do you not think that there might be some way they might cover this up? I.e. burn their face more, so we could have unfortunate people like Simon Weston the victims of hysterical rapist hunting mobs. The idea that we could stop people being raped by branding is simply moronic, what about the people who rape for the first time, or those who have evaded suspicion? If we made half of the male population eunachs you might assume rape would fall by a half, it isn't really a proportional response though is it?

One solution the nutters may go for, kill everyone. At birth. Zero crime.

Got a better solution?

 

[Blue Is the Opposite of Blue]

Rapists aren't criminals, they're rapists.

 

[SWP's back]

Yep, I totally agree.

If a rapist was branded on the forehead, and they still wanted to rape people when they were on the outside... do you not think that there might be some way they might cover this up? I.e. burn their face more, so we could have unfortunate people like Simon Weston the victims of hysterical rapist hunting mobs. The idea that we could stop people being raped by branding is simply moronic, what about the people who rape for the first time, or those who have evaded suspicion? If we made half of the male population eunachs you might assume rape would fall by a half, it isn't really a proportional response though is it?

Ok, castrate them on live TV PPV adult hour, if that doesn't reduce the amount of rapist and save the tax payer a heap nowt will.

By law in an Islamic state if your caught stealing, they can cut your hand off as a punishment.
Not many steal i will have you know.

In the isle of man when you were publicly whipped with the birch in the 70's crime was practically unheard of .

Bring back

Incorrect.

 

[dobobobo]

If a rapist was branded on the forehead, and they still wanted to rape people when they were on the outside... do you not think that there might be some way they might cover this up? I.e. burn their face more, so we could have unfortunate people like Simon Weston the victims of hysterical rapist hunting mobs. The idea that we could stop people being raped by branding is simply moronic, what about the people who rape for the first time, or those who have evaded suspicion? If we made half of the male population eunachs you might assume rape would fall by a half, it isn't really a proportional response though is it?

Ok, castrate them on live TV PPV adult hour, if that doesn't reduce the amount of rapist and save the tax payer a heap nowt will.

By law in an Islamic state if your caught stealing, they can cut your hand off as a punishment.
Not many steal i will have you know.

In the isle of man when you were publicly whipped with the birch in the 70's crime was practically unheard of .

Bring back

Incorrect.

Back it up then, does no one no good just to say incorrect.

 

[SWP's back]

Ok, castrate them on live TV PPV adult hour, if that doesn't reduce the amount of rapist and save the tax payer a heap nowt will.

By law in an Islamic state if your caught stealing, they can cut your hand off as a punishment.
Not many steal i will have you know.

In the isle of man when you were publicly whipped with the birch in the 70's crime was practically unheard of .

Bring back

Incorrect.

Back it up then, does no one no good just to say incorrect.

I don't have to back it up. It is simply incorrect. I know as I live in an Islamic State.

You go to jail/get fined.

 

[Tanzeylee]

Rapists aren't criminals, they're rapists.

Go on then, I'm listening, the difference being?...

 

[SWP's back]

Rapists aren't criminals, they're rapists.

Go on then, I'm listening, the difference being?...

Burglars aren't criminals, they are burglars.

 

[blueincy]

If a rapist was branded on the forehead, and they still wanted to rape people when they were on the outside... do you not think that there might be some way they might cover this up? I.e. burn their face more, so we could have unfortunate people like Simon Weston the victims of hysterical rapist hunting mobs. The idea that we could stop people being raped by branding is simply moronic, what about the people who rape for the first time, or those who have evaded suspicion? If we made half of the male population eunachs you might assume rape would fall by a half, it isn't really a proportional response though is it?

Ok, castrate them on live TV PPV adult hour, if that doesn't reduce the amount of rapist and save the tax payer a heap nowt will.

By law in an Islamic state if your caught stealing, they can cut your hand off as a punishment.
Not many steal i will have you know.

In the isle of man when you were publicly whipped with the birch in the 70's crime was practically unheard of .

Bring back

Incorrect.

In Saudi Arabia criminal cases are tried under Sharia courts in the country. These courts exercise authority over the entire population including foreigners regardless of religion. Cases involving small penalties are tried in Shari'a summary courts.

Yes, their legal system prescribes capital punishment or corporal punishment, including amputations of hands and feet for certain crimes such as murder, robbery, rape, drug smuggling, homosexual activity, and adultery. Sometimes they may impose less severe punishments, such as floggings, for less serious crimes against public morality such as drunkenness.

 

[Blue Is the Opposite of Blue]

Rapists aren't criminals, they're rapists.

Go on then, I'm listening, the difference being?...

I should have worded that a little better because it's entirely a personal feeling that I shouldn't have passed off as a full on statement.

But anyway, I just feel that "criminal" is too much of an umbrella term to describe a rapist. Criminals can refuse to pay parking fines and criminals can do recreational drugs - but rapists destroy lives, and putting them under the same umbrella doesn't do justice to the kind of scum that person is.

 

[Tanzeylee]

Rapists aren't criminals, they're rapists.

Go on then, I'm listening, the difference being?...

Burglars aren't criminals, they are burglars.

Hahaha this forum just gets weirder by the day.
U will be telling me next rags arnt c**ts there just rags...

 

[SWP's back]

Ok, castrate them on live TV PPV adult hour, if that doesn't reduce the amount of rapist and save the tax payer a heap nowt will.

By law in an Islamic state if your caught stealing, they can cut your hand off as a punishment.
Not many steal i will have you know.

In the isle of man when you were publicly whipped with the birch in the 70's crime was practically unheard of .

Bring back

Incorrect.

In Saudi Arabia criminal cases are tried under Sharia courts in the country. These courts exercise authority over the entire population including foreigners regardless of religion. Cases involving small penalties are tried in Shari'a summary courts.

Yes, their legal system prescribes capital punishment or corporal punishment, including amputations of hands and feet for certain crimes such as murder, robbery, rape, drug smuggling, homosexual activity, and adultery. Sometimes they may impose less severe punishments, such as floggings, for less serious crimes against public morality such as drunkenness.

So if you would have said KSA rather than an "Islamic State" you would have been correct.

But you didn't.

 

[SWP's back]

Go on then, I'm listening, the difference being?...

Burglars aren't criminals, they are burglars.

Hahaha this forum just gets weirder by the day.
U will be telling me next rags arnt c**ts there just rags...

Rag cunts.

ps - why the self censorship when we all know what you meant?

 

[blueincy]

Rapists aren't criminals, they're rapists.

Go on then, I'm listening, the difference being?...

Burglars aren't criminals, they are burglars.

Shoplifters aren't Criminals, they're Shoplifters.

 

[blueincy]

Incorrect.

In Saudi Arabia criminal cases are tried under Sharia courts in the country. These courts exercise authority over the entire population including foreigners regardless of religion. Cases involving small penalties are tried in Shari'a summary courts.

Yes, their legal system prescribes capital punishment or corporal punishment, including amputations of hands and feet for certain crimes such as murder, robbery, rape, drug smuggling, homosexual activity, and adultery. Sometimes they may impose less severe punishments, such as floggings, for less serious crimes against public morality such as drunkenness.

So if you would have said KSA rather than an "Islamic State" you would have been correct.

But you didn't.

pedantic

 

[Tanzeylee]

Rapists aren't criminals, they're rapists.

Go on then, I'm listening, the difference being?...

I should have worded that a little better because it's entirely a personal feeling that I shouldn't have passed off as a full on statement.

But anyway, I just feel that "criminal" is too much of an umbrella term to describe a rapist. Criminals can refuse to pay parking fines and criminals can do recreational drugs - but rapists destroy lives, and putting them under the same umbrella doesn't do justice to the kind of scum that person is.

Yeah I see your point, that's just what it is, it's just a generalisation, but a criminal is someone that has broke the law, therefore a rapist is a criminal..,