Would You Accept A Rapist Playing For City?

squirtyflower said:
I just wonder if all those saying 'no' would also say no to an ex-prisoner of war with five medals for fighting against your forces?
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I'm presuming you mean the prisoner of war was captured and held in a military prison? And not he was kept in prison because of a crime he comitted?

I don't know anyone involved in the armed forces nor have I ever been involved in the armed forces. (So I may be wrong with the following.) But, as I undertsand it, armed forces/governments don't class the killing of another soldier as murder/criminal offence. When a soldier kills a soldier of the oppotion I've heard this often said: "It's not murder, it's war." In other words, so long as the soldier who killed followed the rules of engagement then he hasn't comitted a crime. If it is believed the soldier didn't follow the rules of engagment then military police (from the soldiers nation) get involved.

My point being, Bert Trautmann never committed a criminal offence whilst fighting for the Nazi's. So I have no problem with him having played for City. If he had comitted a war crime when fighting for the Nazi's, then the answer is no he should not of played for City. Thankfully this was not the case and I'm glad he served City.
 
squirtyflower said:
I just wonder if all those saying 'no' would also say no to an ex-prisoner of war with five medals for fighting against your forces?
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idiotic thing to say
 
aguero93:20 said:
jimharri said:
its a Barm said:
depends who he rapped.
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Filthy Rappist.
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and how much have you earned from rapping, I'm sorry whats your name again?
 
ballinio said:
squirtyflower said:
I just wonder if all those saying 'no' would also say no to an ex-prisoner of war with five medals for fighting against your forces?
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idiotic thing to say
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Interesting point tbf, and if you think it's not an apt comparison or 'idiotic' that is more to do with your own values than the facts of the matter. I happen to agree with you actually but I'm sure squirty was just trying to add to the debate.
 
Depends on the specifics of the crime. If they'd violently assaulted the girl, dragged her down an alley and raped her then I don't think many people would want him anywhere near the club. But in Ched's case, it seems more like he's a creepy git who sleeps with his mates drunk sloppy seconds, I wouldn't be particularly averse to re-signing him. I'd object more to someone like Marlon King, it's bizarre to me that he got less prison time.

He's gone to prison, he's done his time, it's not like he's a danger to society, so I can't see any reason to not let him play football again. Unfortunately, I imagine this sort of behaviour is not that uncommon with british footballers, he's just the one who went down for it.
 
dobobobo said:
squirtyflower said:
I just wonder if all those saying 'no' would also say no to an ex-prisoner of war with five medals for fighting against your forces?
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I'm presuming you mean the prisoner of war was captured and held in a military prison? And not he was kept in prison because of a crime he comitted?

I don't know anyone involved in the armed forces nor have I ever been involved in the armed forces. (So I may be wrong with the following.) But, as I undertsand it, armed forces/governments don't class the killing of another soldier as murder/criminal offence. When a soldier kills a soldier of the oppotion I've heard this often said: "It's not murder, it's war." In other words, so long as the soldier who killed followed the rules of engagement then he hasn't comitted a crime. If it is believed the soldier didn't follow the rules of engagment then military police (from the soldiers nation) get involved.

My point being, Bert Trautmann never committed a criminal offence whilst fighting for the Nazi's. So I have no problem with him having played for City. If he had comitted a war crime when fighting for the Nazi's, then the answer is no he should not of played for City. Thankfully this was not the case and I'm glad he served City.
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He never fought for the Nazis, he fought for the Luftwaffe, and his country - like the vast majority of Luftwaffe and armed force troops, he was not a Nazi. Actual Nazi supporters were few and far between. When you're drafted, you're drafted (or a deserter and dead/imprisoned-at best).

Taking the morale high-ground over sexual abuse/rape/sex crimes is far easier than war, where, loyalty was reversed and war crimes not noted.
 
As a footballclub you must wonder bringing in such a player what is the influence to the club, the players and their families, and the fans. A footballclub is sort of owned by the public and therefore I would say no if it was concerning my club. If it was another branch other than football or sports, I'd say 'why not for the chance of starting a new life'.
 
For those saying yes because "he's served his time" etc - Won't Chad be released "on licence" until the end of his sentence -(Not sure if that's correct but most rapists released early are "on licence" until the end of their actual sentence) - If that is the case then technically Chad is still serving 2½ years of his 5 year sentence but "on licence" - just a thought
 
It has to be no from me.
What sort of a role model would that be for the youngsters and what sort of message would the club be sending out by having a known rapist on the pay..
There are somethings that can not just be erased as a result of doing time. Rape is definitely one of them imho.
 
Helmet Cole said:
Paulski said:
Helmet Cole said:
Maybe football is the ideal job for a convicted rapist? - good outlet for pent up energy and no female colleagues.
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Why don't you start a thread on the subject and gauge opinion?
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Because like any contentious thread it would just attract the nutters from both sides of the argument and would likely end in tears, fights, bans, warnings, and no good would come of it.
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Sian Louise Massey may not give him many decisions his way !!!!
 
squirtyflower said:
I just wonder if all those saying 'no' would also say no to an ex-prisoner of war with five medals for fighting against your forces?
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As bluemoon historians may know, we have "previous". You slagged off one of my posts, called it stupid, then refused to apologise when I was proved right. This post however, is beyond stupid. You are equating a soldier with a rapist ! ! Words fail me. Which I can assure you, is a f@@kin rarity ! Dear me !
 
Tim of the Oak said:
johnmc said:
squirtyflower said:
I just wonder if all those saying 'no' would also say no to an ex-prisoner of war with five medals for fighting against your forces?
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That's the worst comparison I've ever seen.
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Agreed!
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Really?

So you're not small minded little bigots then?

The comparison seems there to me
 
Personally, I feel deep embarrassment when one of our players dives. Rapists ? No ta ! Marlon king ? No ta. Bank robber ? No ta. Wayne Rooney ? No ta. Not sure he's actually a criminal. I just hate him.
 
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