Would You Accept A Rapist Playing For City?

[Petetheblu]

Since when did football have morals? You may not be comfortable with the fact that you are cheering for a man once convicted of such an offence but i guarantee you would still cheer his goals and sing his name.

Football fans are fickle, a hat trick for Sheffield United in an important win? Rape? what rape? they will cry!

Would I fuck!!!

Did you read anything I wrote?

No club should employ a rapist, not when the very fabric of the club is to attract finance from businesses, why would Etihad want to endorse something that had a rapist with the words 'Etihad' emblazoned across its chest, how good for would that be for world wide business??

I'll never cheer on a fucking scum rapist, fucking never and if you did what sort of person are you....?

That's business, that wasn't the question that was originally asked, the question was would you as fans accept it. I answered with the truth.

Just like Carlise have accepted Meppen Walter, Notts County and Oldham accepted Lee Hughes, Plymouth with Luke McCormick.

If Ched Evans scored for my team i would cheer, he just scored for my team, i wouldn't stand there and think "scumbag rapist" and neither would the vast majority of others. If you would then fair play but he's been convicted of the crime, served it and has been allowed back into society. Just because i would cheer a goal he scored for my team doesn't mean i think he's innocent or want to go down the pub with him. So what kind of person am i? A football fan.

Okay fair do's, you've worked out what sort of morals I have and I worked out yours.....we'll have to beg to differ on this one Mr W.

 

[blueincy]

Sheffield United player Evans, 23, was sentenced to five years in jail for rape. It happend in a hotel after a night out in Rhyl, North Wales.

He admitted having sex with the victim but she told police she had no memory of the incident and believed her drinks had been spiked. Evans’s friend, the Port Vale defender Clayton McDonald, 23, also admitted having sex with the victim but was found not guilty of the same charge.

So why did Clayton get off with it?
After the trial he 'Clayton' even tweeted
'money grabbing little tramp'.
Doesn't sound like the act of a person who was looking at a possible conviction for rape only days before.
Why wasn't she blood tested for drugs?
Very suspect this case if you ask me.


Would I cheer for him if he was still at our club? This case isn't as clear cut as many make out if his wife believe's he's innocent and is standing by him after his 2 and half year stint at HMP and Natasha Massey ain't desperate or with him for his money, I think she would know him better than most being with him for 2 years. Her father Karl Massey is a director of 11 companies, including the prestigious jewellers Cottrills in Wilmslow.

Her mother Susan has also expressed her support for the Sheffield United striker who was sentenced to five years in jail.

On the day he was sentenced she tweeted: ‘Absolutely devastated! My love goes to Tash and Ched! He is INNOCENT.’ Natasha’s sister Imogen, 19, tweeted: ‘I’m in shock! He’s innocent! This can’t happen!’

With this information in mind I would support him. I dont think it was Rape.

 

[goater1978]

No, he's scum and the only time I'd like to see a rapist is in a MMA ring getting the shite kicked out of him. The worlds gone mad if we're to be told to accept cheering on someone who has wrecked another familes lives with such disregard.

I agree about people getting 2nd chances, we all make errors but rape is not an error. Let them rot!!!

I wouldnt defend rape, i would defend the right of a person who is convicted of a crime of the right to rejoin society. The point many here miss is that if you preclude that right you only increase the likelihood of reoffending as they are left on the margins of society.


Without the chance of rehabilitation the whole criminal justice system is pointless

A lot of it is pointless though Rasc.

Rape should have a sentence of 25 years if found guilty.

To rape someone you have to pick your victim, get them somewhere quiet, get an erection, over power them and then follow out the deed. Thats several moments where you could and would think wtf am I doing here and stop. The fact that they don't stop is what makes them an animal.

In the meantime someone has to recover from the substained physical injuries, bruises, lacerations, broken bones and strangulation. Then theres the mental scars which will never heal (I couldn't imagine how bad that must be). And it's not just the victim it's family friends and associates or the guilt of anyone that was out with the victim that night.

Rape is a life changing trauma for the victims.....so why should the likes of Evans get 2-3 years and then be allowed to just get on with his life or start again. The guy had several (as above) chances to stop what he was doing, to get a grip, however the as a decent member of society he didn't and thats why in my eyes he should still be in prison, banged up for another twenty years.

Why do we have to tolerate this??


This isn't aimed at you rasc, you're a much brighter man than me, but the "bloke done bad, serves time and then does good" can't be used on all criminals as the law it self is just shite and in many cases unjust.

You obviously have no idea about what rape is. You seem to be basing your knowledge of it on an episode of cracker.

Rape is when you don't get consent. You don't have to be wearing a balaclava, holding a knife and stalking your victim. If your wife says no and you ignore that then that is rape. In ched's case he nailed a drunk girl who was too drunk to provide consent. A terrible crime but one that bears no relation to your ridiculous example.

Although I do like your example of a good lad would question himself mid rape and stop raping.

You're an idiot.

 

[Lost in space]

No,, never

 

[dobobobo]

Since when did football have morals? You may not be comfortable with the fact that you are cheering for a man once convicted of such an offence but i guarantee you would still cheer his goals and sing his name.

Football fans are fickle, a hat trick for Sheffield United in an important win? Rape? what rape? they will cry!

Would I fuck!!!

Did you read anything I wrote?

No club should employ a rapist, not when the very fabric of the club is to attract finance from businesses, why would Etihad want to endorse something that had a rapist with the words 'Etihad' emblazoned across its chest, how good for would that be for world wide business??

I'll never cheer on a fucking scum rapist, fucking never and if you did what sort of person are you....?

That's business, that wasn't the question that was originally asked, the question was would you as fans accept it. I answered with the truth.

Just like Carlise have accepted Meppen Walter, Notts County and Oldham accepted Lee Hughes, Plymouth with Luke McCormick.

If Ched Evans scored for my team i would cheer, he just scored for my team, i wouldn't stand there and think "scumbag rapist" and neither would the vast majority of others. If you would then fair play but he's been convicted of the crime, served it and has been allowed back into society. Just because i would cheer a goal he scored for my team doesn't mean i think he's innocent or want to go down the pub with him. So what kind of person am i? A football fan.

So why did you put "you" in your first post?

Stop speaking for others, you speak for yourself and that is it.

 

[NanaToure42]

I'm interested what made you choose Negredo.

 

[mindmyp's_n_q's]

You obviously have no idea about what rape is. You seem to be basing your knowledge of it on an episode of cracker.

Rape is when you don't get consent. You don't have to be wearing a balaclava, holding a knife and stalking your victim. If your wife says no and you ignore that then that is rape. In ched's case he nailed a drunk girl who was too drunk to provide consent. A terrible crime but one that bears no relation to your ridiculous example.

Why did one of them who also did not get consent get cleared then?

 

[117 M34]

You obviously have no idea about what rape is. You seem to be basing your knowledge of it on an episode of cracker.

Rape is when you don't get consent. You don't have to be wearing a balaclava, holding a knife and stalking your victim. If your wife says no and you ignore that then that is rape. In ched's case he nailed a drunk girl who was too drunk to provide consent. A terrible crime but one that bears no relation to your ridiculous example.

Why did one of them who also did not get consent get cleared then?

How do you know who did or didn't get consent?

 

[mindmyp's_n_q's]

You obviously have no idea about what rape is. You seem to be basing your knowledge of it on an episode of cracker.

Rape is when you don't get consent. You don't have to be wearing a balaclava, holding a knife and stalking your victim. If your wife says no and you ignore that then that is rape. In ched's case he nailed a drunk girl who was too drunk to provide consent. A terrible crime but one that bears no relation to your ridiculous example.

Why did one of them who also did not get consent get cleared then?

How do you know who did or didn't get consent?

It was stated in court.

 

[Tanzeylee]

Would just like to interject,
Would you accept a child rapist, with a lot of people on here saying he's done his time so he should be allowed to ply his trade, would the same attitudes be applied if it was a child involved...

 

[blueincy]

Why did one of them who also did not get consent get cleared then?

How do you know who did or didn't get consent?

It was stated in court.

The victim told police she had no memory of the incident and believed her drinks had been spiked.
So with that in mind, no consent was given or was it? If so why was Clayton cleared but Ched not?
If she had no memory of the incident how do the Jury know she didn't give consent?

It's clear to me This was two lads out on the piss having sex with one girl who by all indications agreed with it but woke the next morning feeling guilty. Maybe she couldn't look her boyfriend in the face after what she had done?
If it was Rape and she thought her drink was spiked why wasn't blood tests done to prove it?
Why was Clayton released without charge if she said she didn't remember the night? "RAPE IS ALL ABOUT CONSENT"

 

[blueincy]

Would just like to interject,
Would you accept a child rapist, with a lot of people on here saying he's done his time so he should be allowed to ply his trade, would the same attitudes be applied if it was a child involved...

You are talking about a Pedophile a Nonce a sick bastard so your interjection is totally without substance.

 

[dobobobo]

Would just like to interject,
Would you accept a child rapist, with a lot of people on here saying he's done his time so he should be allowed to ply his trade, would the same attitudes be applied if it was a child involved...

You are talking about a Pedophile a Nonce a sick bastard so your interjection is totally without substance.

Not it isn't, read again.

 

[dobobobo]

How do you know who did or didn't get consent?

It was stated in court.

The victim told police she had no memory of the incident and believed her drinks had been spiked.
So with that in mind, no consent was given or was it? If so why was Clayton cleared but Ched not?
If she had no memory of the incident how do the Jury know she didn't give consent?

It's clear to me This was two lads out on the piss having sex with one girl who by all indications agreed with it but woke the next morning feeling guilty. Maybe she couldn't look her boyfriend in the face after what she had done?
If it was Rape and she thought her drink was spiked why wasn't blood tests done to prove it?
Why was Clayton released without charge if she said she didn't remember the night? "RAPE IS ALL ABOUT CONSENT"

If you know so much about the case why weren't you at court?

 

[Tanzeylee]

Would just like to interject,
Would you accept a child rapist, with a lot of people on here saying he's done his time so he should be allowed to ply his trade, would the same attitudes be applied if it was a child involved...

You are talking about a Pedophile a Nonce a sick bastard so your interjection is totally without substance.

Well not really, how can sex crimes be differentiated, rapist of whatever the age of the person are sick bastards, so by saying it is without substance are u saying it's ok to rape a 17yo but not a 14yo, rape is rape no matter what the age is, it's a horrible crime...

 

[Puppet Master Silva]

Would just like to interject,
Would you accept a child rapist, with a lot of people on here saying he's done his time so he should be allowed to ply his trade, would the same attitudes be applied if it was a child involved...

You are talking about a Pedophile a Nonce a sick bastard so your interjection is totally without substance.

I don't think you've done it intentionally, but when you call a paedophile a sick bastard like that, you're suggesting that a rapist isn't one.

 

[blueincy]

It was stated in court.

The victim told police she had no memory of the incident and believed her drinks had been spiked.
So with that in mind, no consent was given or was it? If so why was Clayton cleared but Ched not?
If she had no memory of the incident how do the Jury know she didn't give consent?

It's clear to me This was two lads out on the piss having sex with one girl who by all indications agreed with it but woke the next morning feeling guilty. Maybe she couldn't look her boyfriend in the face after what she had done?
If it was Rape and she thought her drink was spiked why wasn't blood tests done to prove it?
Why was Clayton released without charge if she said she didn't remember the night? "RAPE IS ALL ABOUT CONSENT"

If you know so much about the case why weren't you at court?

How do you know i wasn't? What me being in court on the day has to do with anything is beyond me.

 

[dobobobo]

The victim told police she had no memory of the incident and believed her drinks had been spiked.
So with that in mind, no consent was given or was it? If so why was Clayton cleared but Ched not?
If she had no memory of the incident how do the Jury know she didn't give consent?

It's clear to me This was two lads out on the piss having sex with one girl who by all indications agreed with it but woke the next morning feeling guilty. Maybe she couldn't look her boyfriend in the face after what she had done?
If it was Rape and she thought her drink was spiked why wasn't blood tests done to prove it?
Why was Clayton released without charge if she said she didn't remember the night? "RAPE IS ALL ABOUT CONSENT"

If you know so much about the case why weren't you at court?

1) How do you know i wasn't? 2)What me being in court on the day has to do with anything is beyond me.

1) Probability.

2) That's where the case against and for the defendent was made.

 

[blueincy]

Would just like to interject,
Would you accept a child rapist, with a lot of people on here saying he's done his time so he should be allowed to ply his trade, would the same attitudes be applied if it was a child involved...

You are talking about a Pedophile a Nonce a sick bastard so your interjection is totally without substance.

Well not really, how can sex crimes be differentiated, rapist of whatever the age of the person are sick bastards, so by saying it is without substance are u saying it's ok to rape a 17yo but not a 14yo, rape is rape no matter what the age is, it's a horrible crime...

I thought you were taking it to another low depth with your Child rapist thing. The girl in question was 19 not 17 but yes you are right they are sick bastards what ever age of the Victim. My Bad.

 

[Tanzeylee]

You are talking about a Pedophile a Nonce a sick bastard so your interjection is totally without substance.

Well not really, how can sex crimes be differentiated, rapist of whatever the age of the person are sick bastards, so by saying it is without substance are u saying it's ok to rape a 17yo but not a 14yo, rape is rape no matter what the age is, it's a horrible crime...

I thought you were taking it to another low depth with your Child rapist thing. The girl in question was 19 not 17 but yes you are right they are sick bastards what ever age of the Victim. My Bad.

Nar just questioning some posters morals, some seem to think it's ok to have a rapist work in a high profile job just because they have served their time, I don't know the full circumstances of this particular case, so can't comment fully on it, but to say it's ok or so it appears, for someone to be seen as a role model, which as footballers they are, even after being convicted of rape is beyond me, which is why I put the child rape line in there, where do their moral indicators lie?would they say it's ok to be a footballer when convicted with one form of rape over another...