Would you like Religion gone from the world ?

[goatinho]

allah is great

 

[i kne albert davy]

Not to mention it isn't true and SS soldiers wore belts saying 'Gott mit uns' (God is with us).

There we have it then.

Lets crucify albert

OH GOD yes please!!!!!!!!

I'll Remeber this the next time i'm at the front of the Queue for the beer at Bolton and your thirsty Judas.

 

[pominoz]

So forcing religion on a child is abuse but bringing them up as a city fan, to play the piano, to learn anything before they have rational thoughts themselves is fine. You can't have it both ways. As long as when they are old enough you let them make their own minds up then in my book thats fine.

Also some of the most demanding human feats have been done in the name in religion. Not that i agree with them. Just the weak comment.

No task is demanding if you think you have an eternity of bliss to follow.

As for bringing them up a football fan, you're intelligent enough to know the difference between religious indoctrination and football fanaticism. Football fanaticism never taught a kid that someone died for their sins. Never said that hells fury awaits if they are bad and don't follow the rules in a book written in the iron age, that 72 virgins await if they kill a utd fan on wembley way. Religion is far more powerful than that, or learning to play the piano.

Thats what my dad told me! 30 years near enough of shite and now you tell me this.

I'm not saying they are the same thing but if you bring your child up a blue then you can bring them up a Jew/hindu/Mormon as long as when they are old enough they are allowed to make their own minds up.

And some people on here do have a strange opinion of what they do actually teach you. You dont have the fear of ahem god put into you if you ever swear or steal. It's fairly relax you know. There's no flogging or stoning In this country (fair enough there was an isolated incident a while ago)

Anyway you are probably right and I'm wrong so go to hell.

There may not be floggings and stonings but until recently men in positions of power in your wonderful church,were guilty of widespread child rape and abuse and it was covered up by even more powerful men in your wonderful church.
I think i will stick to bringing my kids up as Atheists.<br /><br />-- Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:47 am --<br /><br />

World would be a far better place if we got rid of them god bothering tossers like that Mother Teresa woman,Isaac Newton and Louis Pasteur useless all of em.Get some good atheists in charge good examples Being good old Adolph and Uncle Joe Stalin at least we wouldn't have to worry about god then we'd all know whether he existed or not.

Ah,the lovely Mother Teresa...

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[Cheesy]

God, yeah, I'd like religion gone from the world.

It's one of the things I pray for.

 

[johnmc]

Pominoz that's the failings of individuals. It's not really the religion. That's like saying education is corrupt and wrong because teachers have abused kids.

The abuse and cover up had nothing to do with the actual religion. If the bible told them to do it I'd agree with you. But it doesnt and it's the actions of sick individuals, and nothing to do with the religion.

 

[tonea2003]

That's wrong obviously. But I can only go from personal experience and I was never told that, never told if you do wrong you go to hell, ne'er told sex before marriage is wrong.

I was told theft is wrong, to treat others how you would like be treated, to love the one you are with and not cheat, to not swear. Basically to be a decent person. I don't practice religion i just think it provides a decent framework to work within. Im not saying dont drink, dont swear, don't use contraception - all that is outdated.

Parenting is paramount but if it helps a little then why not use it. I know plenty of catholic lads who did go church and dont now. They are all good people. They never bombed anyone, never tried to force religion on anyone. Fundamentalism is a different ball game.

fundamentalism comes from religion. enough on its own to have religion banished from the world
for every good catholic there's a good non catholic so that's a non argument.
i'll say it again religious doctrine is not required for good parenting.

Again, I never ever said you can't be a good parent unless your religious. I do not think thats the case. I've simply said it can be useful.

Fundamentalism is born out of religion. But hooliganism is born out of football. Anything taken to extreme is usually wrong that doesn't mean good can't come out of it if used/taught the correct way. There are billions of religious people an maybe a few thousand fundamentalists. So I'd say that was a non argument. Wars have started over religion yes. But wars have started over oil. Should we get rid of that. If it wasn't religion it would be land or money or something else.

And I used catholism as an example as thats what I know. I don't really believe in god so I'm not saying my religion is better or worse than any other or none at all.

tell me which part is useful to parenting that i can't get non religiously

 

[stonerblue]

World would be a far better place if we got rid of them god bothering tossers like that Mother Teresa woman,Isaac Newton and Louis Pasteur useless all of em.Get some good atheists in charge good examples Being good old Adolph and Uncle Joe Stalin at least we wouldn't have to worry about god then we'd all know whether he existed or not.

Adolph was a god-botherer

 

[pominoz]

Pominoz that's the failings of individuals. It's not really the religion. That's like saying education is corrupt and wrong because teachers have abused kids.

The abuse and cover up had nothing to do with the actual religion. If the bible told them to do it I'd agree with you. But it doesnt and it's the actions of sick individuals, and nothing to do with the religion.

Come on John,if it was a couple of cases you would have a point,but it was widespread and global.Celibate men in frocks raping children in the UK,USA,Ireland,Australia,Canada,Mexico,France,Germany on and on it goes.

So celibate men in a position of power over children (because of the religion),rape kids and those rapes are covered up by even more powerful members of the religion (so as not to tarnish the "good" name of the religion),but it has nothing to do with the religion? Sorry not having it.

This is a religion that see women as brood mares to churn out as many of their number as possible (no contraception allowed and whose only role,apart from having kids, within the religion,seems to be to brew up and make butties,no female priests).

Its not just your religion i have the shits with by the way,the genital mutilation of children within some sections of the Jewish and Muslim factions of religion are just as foul.
Having said that,i still would not like religion gone from the world,just reigned in.Personal belief shoud be just that,personal.No tax relief,no say in any law or goverment,no separate schools and no moralizing to the rest of us.Is that too much to ask?

 

[ali benarbia's studs]

the end is nigh!!











there is always one.....and today it s me :D

 

[SWP's back]

You went a bit further than what i was thinking about. The first signs of religions comes from the Neanderthals that for some reason out of nowhere they started burying their dead. The same behavior then pops up with the modern humans. This is long before we were intelligent enough to question anything. Before this all the bones found were not buried, they were either tossed down mountains/hills or left where they were killed/eaten. Why does this behavior suddenly pop up?

Was religion a consequence of intelligence or was it the other way around? Did our intelligence evolve because of that first question that made early Humans and Neanderthals start burring their dead? From our modern perspective it makes sense to bury the death to stop diseases, but in some burials they carried their dead to the site and buried them with items. This is a clear sign of religion. The item is useless to the dead unless you believe they will use it in an after life. This still carries on today with the nonreligious people as well as the religious ones.

Religion has played a huge role in our evolution, like it or not, it is here to stay. It as a concept evolves as we and our thought processes evolve. Specific religions may not survive but religion as a concept will stay.

I don't care what role it played in our evolution, it is superfluous. Killing love/power rivals played a huge part in our evolution (far more than religion and Don't confuse our past with our evolution) but I don't think we need to do that either.

Also, you do Neanderthals a great dis-service. They were very intelligent and more than self aware.

As for JonathanMC, yes it soothes people and I am no one to tell anyone not to believe, but I reserve the right to ridicule religion and those too weak to get on in life without the "knowledge" that this isn't all their is. It's for the weak and weak minded. Fair play to them if they need it, I take great comfort from the wonder of the universe without having to know I'll live for ever in heaven. Organised monotheistic religion is, for me, outdated, out moded, backwards thinking, repressive and there is nothing religion can do that any normal good person coulddnt.

Atheism/agnosticism is the natural state we are born into and I've been on record several times to say I believe forcing religion on children is akin to abuse and all religious indoctrination should be banned. Let's see if it continued then.

I treated Neanderthals and modern humans the same. Behaviorally there were small difference, they went extinct, we didn't.

You say the "natural state" is atheism, and yet far back into our natural past we see religion. Our natural state is being eaten by larger animals, should we go back to it?

As for indoctrination, are you a city fan because of your dad or by your choice?

Religion is not unnecessary. It develops the brain other subject such as science cannot.

Are you seriusly suggesting the 2 are linked? Religion is superstition and was originally a way of explaining things that we couldn't answer (I covered this before), not being eaten by larger animals is a fairly basic need. If we had access to science and the reasons for sun rising etc etc, we would never had needed religion in the first place.

Religion is redundant.