Yaya Toure - commits future to City (page 855)

[sir baconface]

Re: Yaya Toure

All the talk of Yaya being less valuable due to his age - Luiz (an inferior player) being worth more because in theory you're getting him for 10 years or so. Well how does that stack up when a 4 year contract can be broken after 1 because... cake?

Yaya will certainly be a better player than Luiz for the next 2 years, and the way football "contracts" go, that's as good as a lifetime contract.

Aren't you forgetting a minor detail?

Sell-on value.

 

[Tron Coltrane]

Re: Yaya Toure

Haha. Porto told me, to tell you, that they think that's cute.

And as far as I'm aware he hasn't stated he wants to join a specific club, yet.

Despite my ramblings I'm firmly in the 'couldn't give a fuck camp'

Well be better next season without him :)

As much as I don't want to say it... I actually do give a fuck on this one.
Yaya is one the most influential players at the club both on & off the pitch along with Sergio & VK.
To lose him would weaken the club / squad / team - that is beyond discussion.
However, a half arsed Yaya is not worth a light. This is the decision / call the powers that be have to make.
For me, if we can get £40m (as a minimum based on the Luiz fee) then he goes. Anything less he stays.
However he has to earn his place in the starting 11 week in and week out.

I don't think it is, though -- to take exception to the bolded segment. I think it's a better team with Yaya in it, and I'm inclined to agree with the people who feel the same, but the people who are asking otherwise are raising a perfectly good question and I'm following along. You can make a band better with a worse lead singer. Not only possible but not even exactly uncommon. It just requires wrapping one's head around the idea that the next guy to fill his shoes isn't supposed to score 20 goals from central midfield. Losing those goals doesn't mean that a successful distributor (not to mention successful penalty and free kick-taker) doesn't in turn make them pop up elsewhere in the starting eleven.

Also, I hate to pick on you cause a lot of people are doing it, but I think the sooner we lose the Luiz = £50m benchmark for the summer the sooner we're all going to find ourselves on the same page. The transfer is an anomaly, one that might be destined to go down in the history of mis-priced players, and shouldn't really be a reference point for what players are suddenly worth. If the word "Luiz" was suddenly banned from all posts, and no arguments were allowed to be submitted with his name in the message content, everyone would find themselves agreeing significantly more often.

Unless of course they just called him Sideshow Bob. We'd have to ban that too.

 

[sir baconface]

Re: Yaya Toure

Haha. Porto told me, to tell you, that they think that's cute.

And as far as I'm aware he hasn't stated he wants to join a specific club, yet.

Despite my ramblings I'm firmly in the 'couldn't give a fuck camp'

Well be better next season without him :)

As much as I don't want to say it... I actually do give a fuck on this one.
Yaya is one the most influential players at the club both on & off the pitch along with Sergio & VK.
To lose him would weaken the club / squad / team - that is beyond discussion.
However, a half arsed Yaya is not worth a light. This is the decision / call the powers that be have to make.
For me, if we can get £40m (as a minimum based on the Luiz fee) then he goes. Anything less he stays.
However he has to earn his place in the starting 11 week in and week out.

So if we're offered under £40m we get to keep a half-arsed Yaya? Not sure I'm following the logic here.

 

[chris85mcfc]

Re: Yaya Toure

And as far as I'm aware he hasn't stated he wants to join a specific club, yet.

Despite my ramblings I'm firmly in the 'couldn't give a fuck camp'

Well be better next season without him :)

As much as I don't want to say it... I actually do give a fuck on this one.
Yaya is one the most influential players at the club both on & off the pitch along with Sergio & VK.
To lose him would weaken the club / squad / team - that is beyond discussion.
However, a half arsed Yaya is not worth a light. This is the decision / call the powers that be have to make.
For me, if we can get £40m (as a minimum based on the Luiz fee) then he goes. Anything less he stays.
However he has to earn his place in the starting 11 week in and week out.

I don't think it is, though -- to take exception to the bolded segment. I think it's a better team with Yaya in it, and I'm inclined to agree with the people who feel the same, but the people who are asking otherwise are raising a perfectly good question and I'm following along. You can make a band better with a worse lead singer. Not only possible but not even exactly uncommon. It just requires wrapping one's head around the idea that the next guy to fill his shoes isn't supposed to score 20 goals from central midfield. Losing those goals doesn't mean that a successful distributor (not to mention successful penalty and free kick-taker) doesn't in turn make them pop up elsewhere in the starting eleven.

Also, I hate to pick on you cause a lot of people are doing it, but I think the sooner we lose the Luiz = £50m benchmark for the summer the sooner we're all going to find ourselves on the same page. The transfer is an anomaly, one that might be destined to go down in the history of mis-priced players, and shouldn't really be a reference point for what players are suddenly worth. If the word "Luiz" was suddenly banned from all posts, and no arguments were allowed to be submitted with his name in the message content, everyone would find themselves agreeing significantly more often.

Unless of course they just called him Sideshow Bob. We'd have to ban that too.

I think he was just using it as a basis of what PSG would be willing to pay to get the man they want

If I was Txiki I'd be saying to them 'if you've got £40m for Luiz then you've got £40m for Yaya'

Even tho what your saying is right, it doesn't change the fact that we should be trying to get a big piece of PSG's pie :)

 

[TGR]

Re: Yaya Toure

And as far as I'm aware he hasn't stated he wants to join a specific club, yet.

Despite my ramblings I'm firmly in the 'couldn't give a fuck camp'

Well be better next season without him :)

As much as I don't want to say it... I actually do give a fuck on this one.
Yaya is one the most influential players at the club both on & off the pitch along with Sergio & VK.
To lose him would weaken the club / squad / team - that is beyond discussion.
However, a half arsed Yaya is not worth a light. This is the decision / call the powers that be have to make.
For me, if we can get £40m (as a minimum based on the Luiz fee) then he goes. Anything less he stays.
However he has to earn his place in the starting 11 week in and week out.

I don't think it is, though -- to take exception to the bolded segment. I think it's a better team with Yaya in it, and I'm inclined to agree with the people who feel the same, but the people who are asking otherwise are raising a perfectly good question and I'm following along. You can make a band better with a worse lead singer. Not only possible but not even exactly uncommon. It just requires wrapping one's head around the idea that the next guy to fill his shoes isn't supposed to score 20 goals from central midfield. Losing those goals doesn't mean that a successful distributor (not to mention successful penalty and free kick-taker) doesn't in turn make them pop up elsewhere in the starting eleven.

Also, I hate to pick on you cause a lot of people are doing it, but I think the sooner we lose the Luiz = £50m benchmark for the summer the sooner we're all going to find ourselves on the same page. The transfer is an anomaly, one that might be destined to go down in the history of mis-priced players, and shouldn't really be a reference point for what players are suddenly worth. If the word "Luiz" was suddenly banned from all posts, and no arguments were allowed to be submitted with his name in the message content, everyone would find themselves agreeing significantly more often.

Unless of course they just called him Sideshow Bob. We'd have to ban that too.

You make some very valid points in your post.
However the Luiz fee is the current benchmark for transfer fees. As inflated as it is - that is now going the going rate for such a player regardless of the real 'value' of the player. £38m for Mata was a joke. However the self proclaimed 'biggest club in the world' paid it. If a club is prepared to pay £35m for Andy Carroll (3 years ago) then circa £40m for Yaya has to be the minimum. I agree with you that the numbers are beyond comprehension. However, the 'market value' or 'going rate' for a player of Yaya's skill, stature & influence is what it is and that is well in the region of £40m. Anything less and we will have let him go on the cheap. If other clubs can demand & get such inflated fees on a regular basis then the question needs to be asked why can't we?

 

[TGR]

Re: Yaya Toure

And as far as I'm aware he hasn't stated he wants to join a specific club, yet.

Despite my ramblings I'm firmly in the 'couldn't give a fuck camp'

Well be better next season without him :)

As much as I don't want to say it... I actually do give a fuck on this one.
Yaya is one the most influential players at the club both on & off the pitch along with Sergio & VK.
To lose him would weaken the club / squad / team - that is beyond discussion.
However, a half arsed Yaya is not worth a light. This is the decision / call the powers that be have to make.
For me, if we can get £40m (as a minimum based on the Luiz fee) then he goes. Anything less he stays.
However he has to earn his place in the starting 11 week in and week out.

So if we're offered under £40m we get to keep a half-arsed Yaya? Not sure I'm following the logic here.

I think you are right. You are not following the logic.
Read the post again.

 

[sir baconface]

Re: Yaya Toure

As much as I don't want to say it... I actually do give a fuck on this one.
Yaya is one the most influential players at the club both on & off the pitch along with Sergio & VK.
To lose him would weaken the club / squad / team - that is beyond discussion.
However, a half arsed Yaya is not worth a light. This is the decision / call the powers that be have to make.
For me, if we can get £40m (as a minimum based on the Luiz fee) then he goes. Anything less he stays.
However he has to earn his place in the starting 11 week in and week out.

So if we're offered under £40m we get to keep a half-arsed Yaya? Not sure I'm following the logic here.

I think you are right. You are not following the logic.
Read the post again.

I've read it several times. So if we don't get £40m, what is your scenario?

 

[mrt4919]

Re: Yaya Toure

For f...ks sake the ya ya media crap to PSG is almost 12 months old, yet more media mischief , calm down blues nothing here to worry about.

 

[01cravend]

Re: Yaya Toure

This Luiz - £40m benchmark thing is ludicrous. One team paying an inflated price for a player does not and will not change the market.
Yaya Toure is also not worth anywhere near £40m. If he were sold now, he'd have little resale value to who he went to, he's not a big bringer of revenue, his wages are huge and he'll soon be approaching the twilight of his career. You're looking closer to what PSG paid for Ibrahimovic, £20m

 

[CitizenTID]

Re: Yaya Toure

Well, when a player shows a willingness, a rather strong one, to leave a club then said club isn't really in a "demanding" position when it comes to a fee..

Haha. Porto told me, to tell you, that they think that's cute.

And as far as I'm aware he hasn't stated he wants to join a specific club, yet.

Despite my ramblings I'm firmly in the 'couldn't give a fuck camp'

Well be better next season without him :)

Haha same! Win win whatever the outcome I reckon (if we could get fair value by sale). For me, from what the fans get to hear, Yaya has talked the talk of someone with captain material and whose pulling in the same direction as the club but that doesn't seem to correlate with how he acts on the pitch with his general attitude - and this stunt confirms he isn't.