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Yaya Toure
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Zin 'messiah' Zimmer
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I prefer s&m's, that's what got me into this state.hahahahahahahahahahabahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahabahababahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha
blingy
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The big man might be a bit older these days but before he reached the twilight of his career at the top level, he was an unbelieveable force for Manchester City.
Some say David Silva, but for me, every single season we have won a trophy, Yaya Toure has been the better of the two and that includes this season as well.
Silva may have been more pleasing on the eye but in the big games where Silva maybe didn't have his usual influence, it was so often Yaya who produced a mammoth of a performance to take us all the way to glory.
Quite simply, the best Manchester City player of the past 40 years. Give this a watch and just remember what he once was and what he helped us achieve. Brilliant
Yaya up for it is a amazing sight to watch, even now, but so often goes missing for entire weeks, even 2/3 years ago he would go missing for periods .. But a up for it Yaya really is up there with the best midfielders in the world
Silva never went missing for me, some times got put out of the game by the tactics of the opposition but after his 1st settling In period never not looked up for it.
Don't know what's happened to silva this season -my opinion he needs a nasri type player to link up with in a 3 including agauaro or what he brings Is not as affective as seen this season, I don't think he deliberately goes missing as he cant be arsed or things are not going well for him so that puts him a little ahead than Yaya for me but both on form and bringing there best to a game I think Yaya all day long as he doesn't need other people around him to make his game work.
HelloCity
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My loooooooord!
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ws/proof-manchester-citys-yaya-toure-11113482
He's lazy, his legs have gone, he's not interested … the criticisms of Yaya Toure have been many this season.
But the truth is that the big Ivory Coast midfielder does MORE running in a match than fans' favourite Fernandinho, and he is on course to have a BETTER season than normal.
The stats reveal what Manchester City and Manuel Pellegrini have said all along – that Yaya remains a cornerstone of this team – and it is by no means certain he will leave when Pep Guardiola takes the reins in the summer.
The consensus has been that Toure will be moved on, especially as he has just one year left on his contract, and part of that might be spent playing for Ivory Coast in the Africa Cup of Nations.
The reports they get back from Manuel Pellegrini and City's video analysis team also back that up.
Now figures given to MEN Sport by EA Sports, who provide official stats to the Premier League, show that Toure is far from being a washed-up, work-shy midfielder.
In fact, he averages 9.87 kms for every 90 minutes he plays – a higher figure than Brazilian ace Fernandinho (9.69), who is often seen as bearing most of the workload in that partnership.
That figure is also higher than Aleks Kolarov (9.76) and Bacary Sagna (9.45), whose full back roles are generally seen as the hardest-working on the team, and who tend to be rotated more often as a result.
David Silva, the only other player who is in the same bracket as Yaya in terms of creativity, has slightly better running stats, as he averages 10.26 kms per 90 minutes.
Not that such stuff will impress Guardiola – his game plan aims at his players running LESS than the opposition and he was proud of the fact that Lionel Messi regularly recorded the lowest distances when he was in charge at Barcelona.
But Toure's influence on the team has also not fallen off a cliff, as some would suggest.
Opta stats show that his six league goals this season so far are par for the course for Yaya, discounting the freak 2013-14 season when he netted 20.
He is also on course to rack up his second-best season for assists and for chances created, underlining the fact that he is still the go-to man for breaking down stubborn defences.
It is Yaya's passing that has set him apart from everyone else at City in recent years, and his stats on that score also hold up well.
He is still accurate with 87.1 per cent of his passes, only slightly below his average.
His defensive work has also not fallen away. He has made 37 tackles this season, with eight league games still to go, meaning he is on course to better his average over his six seasons at City.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ws/proof-manchester-citys-yaya-toure-11113482
He's lazy, his legs have gone, he's not interested … the criticisms of Yaya Toure have been many this season.
But the truth is that the big Ivory Coast midfielder does MORE running in a match than fans' favourite Fernandinho, and he is on course to have a BETTER season than normal.
The stats reveal what Manchester City and Manuel Pellegrini have said all along – that Yaya remains a cornerstone of this team – and it is by no means certain he will leave when Pep Guardiola takes the reins in the summer.
The consensus has been that Toure will be moved on, especially as he has just one year left on his contract, and part of that might be spent playing for Ivory Coast in the Africa Cup of Nations.
The reports they get back from Manuel Pellegrini and City's video analysis team also back that up.
Now figures given to MEN Sport by EA Sports, who provide official stats to the Premier League, show that Toure is far from being a washed-up, work-shy midfielder.
In fact, he averages 9.87 kms for every 90 minutes he plays – a higher figure than Brazilian ace Fernandinho (9.69), who is often seen as bearing most of the workload in that partnership.
That figure is also higher than Aleks Kolarov (9.76) and Bacary Sagna (9.45), whose full back roles are generally seen as the hardest-working on the team, and who tend to be rotated more often as a result.
David Silva, the only other player who is in the same bracket as Yaya in terms of creativity, has slightly better running stats, as he averages 10.26 kms per 90 minutes.
Not that such stuff will impress Guardiola – his game plan aims at his players running LESS than the opposition and he was proud of the fact that Lionel Messi regularly recorded the lowest distances when he was in charge at Barcelona.
But Toure's influence on the team has also not fallen off a cliff, as some would suggest.
Opta stats show that his six league goals this season so far are par for the course for Yaya, discounting the freak 2013-14 season when he netted 20.
He is also on course to rack up his second-best season for assists and for chances created, underlining the fact that he is still the go-to man for breaking down stubborn defences.
It is Yaya's passing that has set him apart from everyone else at City in recent years, and his stats on that score also hold up well.
He is still accurate with 87.1 per cent of his passes, only slightly below his average.
His defensive work has also not fallen away. He has made 37 tackles this season, with eight league games still to go, meaning he is on course to better his average over his six seasons at City.
Hold on! The MEN have compared to City's lowest "performer" . Typical smokes and mirrors that always surround stats. You can make them tell any story is you choose the right benchmark and the MEN went for the lowest possible.
This was Sky's last analysis
Man City midfielders - Premier League 2015/16
Player Distance per 90 mins
Fabian Delph 11.7km
Jesus Navas 11.6km
Kevin De Bruyne 11.4km
Samir Nasri 11.3km
Fernando 11.2km
David Silva 10.7km
Yaya Toure 10.4km
Fernandinho 10.4km
This was Sky's last analysis
Man City midfielders - Premier League 2015/16
Player Distance per 90 mins
Fabian Delph 11.7km
Jesus Navas 11.6km
Kevin De Bruyne 11.4km
Samir Nasri 11.3km
Fernando 11.2km
David Silva 10.7km
Yaya Toure 10.4km
Fernandinho 10.4km
kaz7
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Work smart not hard is what he doesWhy is Fernandinho's so low? Gives the impression he runs constantly
Why is Fernandinho's so low? Gives the impression he runs constantly
Fernandinho has always been an attacking box-to-box midfielder, we're restricting him because 9/10 he has to sit and hold while Yaya wanders off. We should be utilising his pace, energy and attacking instincts like we did against Seville and Roma, ideally with someone like Delph partnering him so they can share the workload. It wouldn't matter who went forward and who stayed back.
Our attacking players are left completely isolated and 9/10 times have no room to turn because there's no runners from central midfield dragging players away and running past them [how many successful crosses do we complete in a match? How many times does Silva and Sterling loose possession in build-ups? If our attack was as dynamic as it used to be with Nasri and Silva holding possession
and mesmerizing opposition with thei
sheer brilliance and if we had forwards that had good goal threat, it would have been a different story. Simply put, Silva doesn't do enough to support Sergio even when playing in his preferred role. If it's his ankle, we should be fair enough to recognize that Yaya's been playing
through pain too]. Yaya's lack of ability to get up and down the pitch means he struggles to support the attack, he also struggles to support the defence which
means we have to play a holding midfielder with him so you're automatically two players down who can
get forward and make runs. [you're suggesting an alternative combo that also leaves us exposed. If we cannot hold the ball long enough and if we give the ball away under pressure, we are going to be susceptible to counter attacks and a lot
of goals have been conceeded because
we lost possession needlessly. Ever imagined the impact of loosing the ball frequently? The defensive line or our players around the area wouldn't be prepared to get back to position because they have been caught unawares. This,
my friend is also a problem but you wouldn't admit because you want 1 man out. Yaya is one player that ensures our game is not all chaotic]Fernando is a pure holding midfielder so he isn't a real option in an attacking sense which leaves Delph, who could be the perfect foil for Fernandinho but Pellegrini wont pick him above Yaya even when he is fit. Play a three man midfield with Yaya and you're still two runners short in
attack [it's no better when you have Silva, Sterling and Navas in front of yaya so can't they produce something without having to wait for a central midfielder?] there are it seems even though it gives Yaya a bit more license to stay forward when he does eventually get up there but then you're an attacking player short. As good as Yaya is on the ball it's pointless if
the rest of the team have to play with the handbrake on to accommodate him. [I think we accommodate Silva just as much and we let the creative genius of the gingerman die on the wings because Silva had to play. This of course will get no mention from you] The team comes before individuals, however loyal some
fans are regarding Yaya because of the odd moment of magic [odd moment of magic for me doesn't look like passing the ball reasonably under pressure the whole
90 minutes whilst getting forward from
time to time to support the attack you claim would not function except a saviour in acM comes to their aid]
my responses are in bracket just beside most statements in Marv and theWhen Toure was at his rampaging best it made sense to build our team around him. The team was so good we didn't do that. Everything worked,
everyone held their own. But now we are playing Toure and adjusting our old 442 to a 451 to cover for Toure's immobility. [we been below par whether we played 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 because of many many issues bit of course according to you, Yaya has got to have 85% of the blame whilst the remaining 15% is left for other issues - oh I get it - Yaya is also responsible for us not being able to hit a meaningful cross. Teams use this option when it gets so packed in the middle. But again this is a non-issue because you must crucify someone] If we are prepared to do that for a player then we should do it for a player in their prime. A De Bruyne [yes, take Silva to the wing or the bench and have KDB try his luck in the middle], Aguero [I'm sorry for the lad, because he doesn't have some burden taken off him by the ones who are around him - Silva, Sterling and Navas are the major culprits here], or Silva [I think we're building quite enough around him] His stats are
not good enough to do that. Goals scored: 6. Assists way way down [5]. What we get for packing the midfield is not enough to warrant the change. [I personally would love to experiment what good a Nacho-kun partnership ahead of Yaya will do for us against the smaller teams before I try it against the bigger sides. We've been undone in the bigger games more due to leadership issues, a small lapse in concentration here and there and individual errors, even when we controlled those games. I'd suggest we try Sagna in CB rather than MD when Komp's not there before touching Yaya because he contributes something that's just as important to our attacking and defensive game -- loose possession anyhow and see if it will augur well with your defensive shape] been better off playing Aguero and Iheanacho together or Aguero alongside Sterling (instead of asking Sterling to play as a tucked in left winger to help bolster the midfield). [a wide player every where in the world is supposed to bomb up and down and in so doing would naturally contact CM position s quite regularly] Too many accommodations being made like this all over the pitch to enable Toure to play, and the return does not warrant it.
[don't make an excuse of saying that Sterling limits his attacking game to support the middle because that's not the case -- the issue is refs do him no favours, he gets bullied off the ball and he looses possession unecessarily a fair few times]
It's absolutely ridiculous that a team with our players can't put two back to back wins together. A big part of it comes down to the set up with Toure. He should have been dropped a long time ago [that wouldn't still help imo. I'd rather start with Yaya in a 2 man midi in front of Komps than start with Fern and Delph or even 3 CMs without him. I think this is an indictment on our other CBs]
bloke's posts. I didn't know how else to address all the issues raised.
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Fernandinho has always been an attacking box-to-box midfielder, we're restricting him because 9/10 he has to sit and hold while Yaya wanders off. We should be utilising his pace, energy and attacking instincts like we did against Seville and Roma, ideally with someone like Delph partnering him so they can share the workload. It wouldn't matter who went forward and who stayed back.
Someone like Delph partnering him? Seriously mate can you not see how poor a central mid pairing that is? Look at the best midfields in Europe, even the best midfields in England, that pairing doesn't stack up at all.