jay_mcfc said:
If we had the £12M to spend in July 2007 we would have got Castillo then and not Elano.
Sven signed Elano by default, it was lucky he turned out better than Castillo as neither City or Shaktar thought he was at the time.
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Yes I am going to enjoy this thread.....Sven's signings
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If we had the £12M to spend in July 2007 we would have got Castillo then and not Elano.
Sven signed Elano by default, it was lucky he turned out better than Castillo as neither City or Shaktar thought he was at the time.
jay_mcfc
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Corky said:If we had the £12M to spend in July 2007 we would have got Castillo then and not Elano.
Sven signed Elano by default, it was lucky he turned out better than Castillo as neither City or Shaktar thought he was at the time.
This kind of thing probably goes on all the time, missing out on your number 1 targets is hardly a new thing. Castillo will be a quality player in a different league. Like someone else has said with regards to Sven's signings, most of them would probably do a lot better in other leagues. Some foreign clubs would do well to look at some of our players like Garrido, Castillo, Elano etc etc
DD
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You see it's all a matter of opinion because I believe that few of Sven's signings are suited to the fraught nature of the English game.
Elano - Vastly over rated. League far too physical for him.
Corluka - Classy defender but too soft centred, too slow and too error prone. We have now got ourselves a better right back in my opinion
Garrido - Getting better but still poor defensively
Fernandes - Uninspiring and not good enough for where we want to be
Petrov - Been a quality buy and has been sorely missed
Bojinov - Who knows?
Bianchi - Didn't look at all suited to the English game
Geovanni - Vastly over rated but scores some good goals
Benjani - Simply not good enough
Castillo - Dear oh dear
Caicedo - Let us not forget until just over a week ago everyone was saying how bad he was.
In my honest opinion, only one of those eleven players is definitely good enough for a top half side, in the physical English Premier League. Two of them, the jury is out on.
I still believe that (although I am far from being a Hughes fan) Leslie was dealt a pretty shit hand and was gift wrapped by far and away the softest team in the league, one that was absolutely certain to be in the relegation mix without major surgery.
Elano - Vastly over rated. League far too physical for him.
Corluka - Classy defender but too soft centred, too slow and too error prone. We have now got ourselves a better right back in my opinion
Garrido - Getting better but still poor defensively
Fernandes - Uninspiring and not good enough for where we want to be
Petrov - Been a quality buy and has been sorely missed
Bojinov - Who knows?
Bianchi - Didn't look at all suited to the English game
Geovanni - Vastly over rated but scores some good goals
Benjani - Simply not good enough
Castillo - Dear oh dear
Caicedo - Let us not forget until just over a week ago everyone was saying how bad he was.
In my honest opinion, only one of those eleven players is definitely good enough for a top half side, in the physical English Premier League. Two of them, the jury is out on.
I still believe that (although I am far from being a Hughes fan) Leslie was dealt a pretty shit hand and was gift wrapped by far and away the softest team in the league, one that was absolutely certain to be in the relegation mix without major surgery.
JOGAMIGMOG said:Maybe but Hughes' signings are better.
Can someone explain that statement, because the way I see it:
Robinho = Signed by the Arabs.
SWP = Came home so doesn't really count. Bought to appease the City fans by the Arabs IMO.
Kompany = Decent player.
Ben Haim = The jury is well and truly still out for me.
Zabaleta = The jury is well and truly still out for me.
The Sven signings, given the amount of money and time he was given, we all pretty decent with the exception of Benjani who I never rated, IMO.
DD said:In my honest opinion, only one of those eleven players is definitely good enough for a top half side, in the physical English Premier League. Two of them, the jury is out on.
Hold on, we were a top half team last year, so why are they now not a top half team exactly?
I still believe that (although I am far from being a Hughes fan) Leslie was dealt a pretty shit hand and was gift wrapped by far and away the softest team in the league, one that was absolutely certain to be in the relegation mix without major surgery.
Again, how so? We finished top 10 last year, so what has changed? Why all of a sudden are your expectations of the core that was installed by Sven, now dropped to "relegation mix"
Don't know why one always has to be played off against the other, but the op is absolutely correct. "Svens dross" were a much better bunch than they are given credit for.
One thing I will say about them is that because of the signings Sven made, we were able to play a totally different style of football, one that was much more pleasing on the eye and one that restored a lot of peoples faith in the club. If it wasn't for Svens signings I wonder if the Arabs would have been interested in buying the club, because we wouldn't have looked nearly as attractive to them with falling crowds and supporter disenchantment with the club.
And some of the football we played last season just had me shaking my head in amazement that I was watching the club I support play the way I never dreamed we would.
One thing I will say about them is that because of the signings Sven made, we were able to play a totally different style of football, one that was much more pleasing on the eye and one that restored a lot of peoples faith in the club. If it wasn't for Svens signings I wonder if the Arabs would have been interested in buying the club, because we wouldn't have looked nearly as attractive to them with falling crowds and supporter disenchantment with the club.
And some of the football we played last season just had me shaking my head in amazement that I was watching the club I support play the way I never dreamed we would.
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If we had the £12M to spend in July 2007 we would have got Castillo then and not Elano.
Sven signed Elano by default, it was lucky he turned out better than Castillo as neither City or Shaktar thought he was at the time
corky
mean spirited petty minded drivel
Sven signed Elano by default, it was lucky he turned out better than Castillo as neither City or Shaktar thought he was at the time
corky
mean spirited petty minded drivel
moomba said:Don't know why one always has to be played off against the other, but the op is absolutely correct. "Svens dross" were a much better bunch than they are given credit for.
One thing I will say about them is that because of the signings Sven made, we were able to play a totally different style of football, one that was much more pleasing on the eye and one that restored a lot of peoples faith in the club. If it wasn't for Svens signings I wonder if the Arabs would have been interested in buying the club, because we wouldn't have looked nearly as attractive to them with falling crowds and supporter disenchantment with the club.
And some of the football we played last season just had me shaking my head in amazement that I was watching the club I support play the way I never dreamed we would.
Couldn't agree more. People have selective memory on here at times. Do people not remember the way we used to play under Pearce. It was shocking. At least now, *sometimes*, we can play the ball to feet rather than the wallop and hope crap we used to play. I would go one further and say that Sven had us playing far more attractive football than now or then.
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For a few games.
kronkonite said:If we had the £12M to spend in July 2007 we would have got Castillo then and not Elano.
Sven signed Elano by default, it was lucky he turned out better than Castillo as neither City or Shaktar thought he was at the time
corky
mean spirited petty minded drivel
Who stood in you?
Can't you remember last year before you were a City fan?
Apart from Petrov, the rest of that list has either jumped ship, can't hold down a place in the current team or is still at development stage and not ready for first team (Caicedo/Fernandes).
However you cannot compare the two managers in all fairness, because the regime SGE was operating under was unstable financially, lacked direction and clearly did not have the financial muscle, available to Hughes, otherwise you would have seen Sven in for more proven players. No doubt about that, but he had to enter the market for potential rather than proven.
The Petrov signing in my opinion was inspired though, and i'll always be ready to praise Pearce for that alone.
However you cannot compare the two managers in all fairness, because the regime SGE was operating under was unstable financially, lacked direction and clearly did not have the financial muscle, available to Hughes, otherwise you would have seen Sven in for more proven players. No doubt about that, but he had to enter the market for potential rather than proven.
The Petrov signing in my opinion was inspired though, and i'll always be ready to praise Pearce for that alone.
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The Petrov signing in my opinion was inspired though, and i'll always be ready to praise Sven for that alone.
Not arsed about the Hughes and Sven signing argument - but have little bit of info re Petrov signing.
We were told in the pub after last seasons OT Derby by Ali Macintosh that it was Stuart Pearce who scouted and arranged the Petrov transfer.
It was due to happen in the prev Jan window when SP was manager but fell through for some reason or other and so we got him in the summer instead.
No reason Ali M would lie about it
GStar
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Sven had absolutely no expectations when he came into the job, we'd watched a team who couldn't score a goal at home in half a season, somehow dodged relegation and with a new questionable owner.
He built a team that played the best football i've ever seen us play. He turned a bunch of relative strangers into a footballing unit.
Then around half way through the season, once every team had taken a look at us, our secret seemed to be revealed, our starting XI had plated all season and a mixture of jadedness and only one style turned us from the top half team, into relegation form for the entire second half of the season.
Now, with Hughes, he's got the expectations of breaking into the top four and playing football as "the richest club in the world" should do, (whatever that image is).
He was given a team which, playing one system with 11 players had half a decent season. I agree "Sven's dross" is complete bollocks, there was/is/will continue to be some very talented footballers who played for us during Svens season and many years to come.
Jay didn't want this thread to become a X vs Y thread but it has become that, and it doesnt work.
Two different sets of expectations, two different sets of circumstances and i think from the regime/style and ethics Sven instilled in his squad, is it really surprising that its taking a while to rip that up and start a new?
He built a team that played the best football i've ever seen us play. He turned a bunch of relative strangers into a footballing unit.
Then around half way through the season, once every team had taken a look at us, our secret seemed to be revealed, our starting XI had plated all season and a mixture of jadedness and only one style turned us from the top half team, into relegation form for the entire second half of the season.
Now, with Hughes, he's got the expectations of breaking into the top four and playing football as "the richest club in the world" should do, (whatever that image is).
He was given a team which, playing one system with 11 players had half a decent season. I agree "Sven's dross" is complete bollocks, there was/is/will continue to be some very talented footballers who played for us during Svens season and many years to come.
Jay didn't want this thread to become a X vs Y thread but it has become that, and it doesnt work.
Two different sets of expectations, two different sets of circumstances and i think from the regime/style and ethics Sven instilled in his squad, is it really surprising that its taking a while to rip that up and start a new?
DontLookBackInAnger
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Im a big SGE fan, and think Hughes has lost the plot and should be fired, but I think his signings have been better, overall both short and long term. The only defense might be that because of SGE work last year and the Arab money this Hughes has had an easier job recruiting players
pretty funny how quicky peoples opinions change....
even so take hughes signings under thaskin and hes done much better than sven
Kompany £7m
same age as fenandes and twice the player
SWP £10m
The right winger we needed
Tal ben haim £5m
for 5m seemed a great back up defender with experience
Zabaleta £8m
Much better right back than corluka (who never really seemed to have a defined position)
so even tho your opinion is valid and propbably brought out of the uphoria of yesterdays win......i dont agree
elano 1 good game in 10 performer and has a shit attitude towards traning.
Caicedo took a year to show promise, but is looking a good player so i agree with that
corlukas gone.
fenandes looks like he will always be a back up defensive midfielder
bojinov is just unfortunate
petrov cracking signing
bianchi got shiped straight back which was a bad signing
gio never got a chance but even now you wouldnt expect him to be a starter for us
benjani, we paid over the odds for a guy who didnt want to come, i like him as he smiles when he playes but £8m was waaay to much.
garrido is going to get replaced at some point which says it all
lastly u didnt mention Jo was erikssons signing under thaskin, hes worth £7m at most so not only did he pay vastly over the odds, we also have to wait (even more) months for him to settle.....
even so take hughes signings under thaskin and hes done much better than sven
Kompany £7m
same age as fenandes and twice the player
SWP £10m
The right winger we needed
Tal ben haim £5m
for 5m seemed a great back up defender with experience
Zabaleta £8m
Much better right back than corluka (who never really seemed to have a defined position)
so even tho your opinion is valid and propbably brought out of the uphoria of yesterdays win......i dont agree
elano 1 good game in 10 performer and has a shit attitude towards traning.
Caicedo took a year to show promise, but is looking a good player so i agree with that
corlukas gone.
fenandes looks like he will always be a back up defensive midfielder
bojinov is just unfortunate
petrov cracking signing
bianchi got shiped straight back which was a bad signing
gio never got a chance but even now you wouldnt expect him to be a starter for us
benjani, we paid over the odds for a guy who didnt want to come, i like him as he smiles when he playes but £8m was waaay to much.
garrido is going to get replaced at some point which says it all
lastly u didnt mention Jo was erikssons signing under thaskin, hes worth £7m at most so not only did he pay vastly over the odds, we also have to wait (even more) months for him to settle.....
Banned Tosspot
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Hughes has had no Arab money.DontLookBackInAnger said:Im a big SGE fan, and think Hughes has lost the plot and should be fired, but I think his signings have been better, overall both short and long term. The only defense might be that because of SGE work last year and the Arab money this Hughes has had an easier job recruiting players
KolarovsLeftPeg
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Pretty sure we didn't get back what we payed for Bianchi
Bojinov will come good, very very good footballer
I agree however with some other people that Hughes signed better players for the club.
Bojinov will come good, very very good footballer
I agree however with some other people that Hughes signed better players for the club.
DontLookBackInAnger
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Banned Tosspot said:Hughes has had no Arab money.DontLookBackInAnger said:Im a big SGE fan, and think Hughes has lost the plot and should be fired, but I think his signings have been better, overall both short and long term. The only defense might be that because of SGE work last year and the Arab money this Hughes has had an easier job recruiting players
really, so tell me how the fuck did we get Robinho?
GStar
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Bluebeer said:pretty funny how quicky peoples opinions change....
It is, Elano was hailed on this board and even took the prestigeous place of Colin Bell as the top of this site for a while.
Now he's "1 good game in 10" and "has a shit attitude towards training" any proof of his attitudes in training?
Because rumour would suggest we're in turmoil yet half our squad have been interviewed in the last few weeks singing the praises of our training and we've just won 5-1?