Yorkshire Cricket Club

[Metal Biker]

Because I don’t know if the young man who made those comments is still the same man today.
If he is then yeah, fuck him.

What about those he's accused who have apologised and stated that they are also not the same men they are today?

Where does the line of accountability end? Because Azeem has also been shown to make a mistake? Is he also not as culpable to the culture of instituional racism at YCC as everyone else he's accused?

 

[Phil1]

This is my issue.

YCCC and others have been racist. 100% they need sanctioning and those found guilty dealing with.

Azeem is now found abusing people and using racist language and it’s described by yourself as “shitty” or “derogatory”.

Sorry, it’s racist, it’s deplorable and once they have thrown the book at YCCC and those who abused Azeem racially they can throw the book at him as well.

Well quite, it’ll pan out how it’s meant to pan out eventually and no doubt will be a big mess where nobody comes out with credit.
Happy to change my description of his tweets to anti sementic and racist but my point was to cover all isms.

 

[hammocity]

I never said it wasn;t made up, nor have I denied Rafiq's testimonies.

I'm merely suggesting is that we now have the testimony about racism in cricket from an admitted racist anti-semite, and that we should ask how much creedance we can now give him.

Would you willingly accept a racists personal opinions about racism so readily?

Breaking my last post rule here, I’m in agreement with you, read my post.

 

[The blue phantom]

And he himself had an open culture of being racially abusive towards others.

So it appears that he's not accepting of others being racist towards him, but he is openly accepting of racism directed at others.

How can anyone accept his accounts as being anything other than the "banter culture" that has been proposed, as he was clearly racially abusive himself, or did he consider that at the time as just "banter"? He's fucked everything up, for himself and the issue of racism in cricket.

His personal accounts are effectively dulled by his own bigotry and should no longer be included in the conversation. Others who have experienced this should now become the focus, not this anti-semitic POS.

Just fuckin lol at the usual bollocks from you, You're wording this as if Rafiq has spent Ten years on Twitter abusing Jews instead of One Twitter exchange 10 years ago ( Yes still anti semetic ) Even worse putting it as no different to what Yorkshire Cricket Club has done to him. It's made your fuckin day.

 

[Metal Biker]

Just fuckin lol at the usual bollocks from you, You're wording this as if Rafiq has spent Ten years on Twitter abusing Jews instead of One Twitter exchange 10 years ago ( Yes still anti semetic ) Even worse putting it as no different to what Yorkshire Cricket Club has done to him. It's made your fuckin day.

Yeah, I revel whenever anti-semitic behaviour raises its ugly head.

Nice to know you think my aversion towards anti-semitic behaviour is "usual bollocks"

Par for the course these days. Do you care to give any opinion of Rafiq's admittance to behaving in the same way? In all his testimonies, why at no point did he admit to holding anti-semitic opinions himself during the same period? Odd, no?

 

[Ric]

The tweets from Rafiq are inexcusable and have been rightly condemned. It doesn’t change anything regarding the issue of institutional racism at Yorkshire though.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Glass houses and all that!

For those who are talking about “institutional” racism, it appears that label is being place ONTO institutions, even though it is INDIVIDUALS within them that appear to be the actual perpetrators of the supposed racism.

A question: At what point does the “victim” become part of the issue for his own acquiescence?

In short, if I get called a (Fill in the slur) at work, how long do I have to state I don’t like it before it becomes acquiescence and “accepted” as banter?

What would have happened if, at the first time of hearing, Rafiq had made clear his disgust, or simply said, “Hey mate, that’s considered racist these days and I’d prefer not to be called that”?

If it continued, wouldn’t that be considered far more egregious than bringing it up years later as a severe personal affront that psychologically harmed me?

I’m not one for victim blaming, but I do feel like victims have a responsibility to alert the world to their victimization, especially pervasive, institutional victimization, if we are ever going to address the issue ON THEIR BEHALF.

I am struggling, based on what little I have read and heard of this case, to see why it has become such a massive issue.

I hate to use the terms “cancel culture” and “political correctness” in general, but in a discussion like this they feel like rocket fuel to trigger people.

Accordingly, I will merely state that being seen to be doing is often the end result of these investigations, and the British media is notorious for their attraction to “shiny objects.”

I hope SOCIETY learns from this episode. I’m not sure the lessons will be the ones some people are hoping they will be.

As I have said a thousand times, scratch the thin veneer of the human animal and you expose the animal within.

We are not always who we think we are, or wish we were in the best version of ourselves.

In my view, society has to make allowances for this, while noting it is negative behavior…with some negative behaviors crossing a societal threshold that requires redress by society.

Is this that?
Is society already aware of this issue?
Has society addressed this issue?
Have the results been reasonable?
Is there more work to be done?
Will this occurrence aid in producing further work, where needed?
If so, when does society move on from it?

 

[blueinsa]

Well quite, it’ll pan out how it’s meant to pan out eventually and no doubt will be a big mess where nobody comes out with credit.
Happy to change my description of his tweets to anti sementic and racist but my point was to cover all isms.

It’s a complete fucking mess. A disgrace all round with skeletons jumping out of every wardrobe in the game it seems.

Lets deal with the racism.

Lets also be extremely careful in that we don’t go down a road in which anything and everything said in years gone by is deemed to be inappropriate by todays social media imposed standards and a pound of flesh is required to satisfy the online audience.

We have a player being investigated because of his dogs name. At some point it has to stop.

 

[The blue phantom]

Agree, but by the same token, Jack Brookes, a former Yorkshire player, now at Taunton has had to apologise for tweets made in 2012, and having to go on a 'diversity' course.

If historic wrongdoings are to be punished, surely it needs to be all to be fair and above board?

Brooks had done more than just tweeting, he's involved with all this making names up for Pakistani players too.

 

[KS55]

When the sound and fury die down, we need to think about this youth excuse that many make. If you are 19, 20, 21, do you really not appreciate the racist nature of what you are posting? When does this change to a different person occur?
Anyone who is subject to racism in their youth recognises it, so they must recognise it in themselves. Did you know the difference between right and wrong at 20?