Yorkshire Cricket Club

[domalino]

Oh yes it does.

For a racist anti-semite like Azeem to accuse others of being racist towards him is exceptionally hypocritical.

What's that I hear? But he said those comments when he was younger? Well surprise surprise, so did the individuals he has accused. They aren't absolved and now neither is he.

Should racism in cricket be investigated? Absolutely. Should it be addressed and eradicated? Absolutely. Should Azeem Rafiq's accounts be given ANY credit or acknowledgement after it has been proven he too was guilty in the exact same behaviour he has accused others of doing to him? Absolutely fucking not.

He's an antisemite who was racist to others and is now crying about receiving racist abuse himself. Goose and gander spring to mind in his case. He deserves no more attention on this subject. He's not the poster boy of addressing racism in sport some are still clinging on to. He's raised an important issue, yes, but after this revelation, his part is the conversation is over. Why should we acknowledge a racists opinion about racism in sport?

I doesn't change anything.

The issue here is that YCCC had an open culture of racially abusing people, that the club turned a blind eye when that was reported, and that the ECB let the club govern itself despite history showing that they weren't fit to for that.

If Azeem Rafiq was openly anti-semitic every single day, the only difference is there was another type of racism ignored by the county.

Should Azeem Rafiq's accounts be given ANY credit or acknowledgement after it has been proven he too was guilty in the exact same behaviour he has accused others of doing to him?

As for this nonsense, this is why Rafiq has corroboration for his accusations. Do you believe Michael Vaughan now? Because 2 other players back up Rafiqs version.

Do you want to pretend Gary Ballance and Hoggard didn't admit to regularly racially abusing him?

 

[Metal Biker]

Yeah he said shitty things, could well be a shitty person I don’t know.
He’s been treated appallingly though by a whole organisation as have others so I suppose that evens it up.

What do you mean "you don't know"? He's just admitted to doing it!

And are you really serious about your final sentence? Two wrong's don't make a right, why are still attempting to defend his behaviour now that he has been exposed of doing exactly what he has accused others of doing? How can we now take his accounts seriously with the same fevour as before when there is evidence he himself is/was anti-semitic?

It can now easily be brushed aside that those who were racist towards him aren't anymore so therefore, hey, everything is "evened up", right?

 

[Metal Biker]

I doesn't change anything.

The issue here is that YCCC had an open culture of racially abusing people, that the club turned a blind eye when that was reported, and that the ECB let the club govern itself despite history showing that to be false.

If Azeem Rafiq was openly anti-semitic every single day, the only difference is there was another type of racism ignored by the county.



As for this nonsense, this is why Rafiq has corroboration for his accusations. Do you believe Michael Vaughan now? Because 2 other players back up Rafiqs version.

Do you want to pretend Gary Ballance and Hoggard didn't admit to regularly racially abusing him?

And he himself had an open culture of being racially abusive towards others.

So it appears that he's not accepting of others being racist towards him, but he is openly accepting of racism directed at others.

How can anyone accept his accounts as being anything other than the "banter culture" that has been proposed, as he was clearly racially abusive himself, or did he consider that at the time as just "banter"? He's fucked everything up, for himself and the issue of racism in cricket.

His personal accounts are effectively dulled by his own bigotry and should no longer be included in the conversation. Others who have experienced this should now become the focus, not this anti-semitic POS.

 

[Postman Pep]

Looks like somebody is ignoring anti-semitic behaviour.

If you abhor those who have been Islamophobic and racist towards Azeem, you must now also direct that same vitriol back at Azeem himself.

Looks like someone who had no opinion on the matter has seen an opportunity to poison the debate. I'm out.

 

[Metal Biker]

Looks like someone who had no opinion on the matter has seen an opportunity to poison the debate. I'm out.

I'm Jewish. I have every dog in this fight.

You appear to be one of those who doesn't like it when anti-semitism becomes the focus all of a sudden.

 

[hammocity]

Oh yes it does.

For a racist anti-semite like Azeem to accuse others of being racist towards him is exceptionally hypocritical.

What's that I hear? But he said those comments when he was younger? Well surprise surprise, so did the individuals he has accused. They aren't absolved and now neither is he.

Should racism in cricket be investigated? Absolutely. Should it be addressed and eradicated? Absolutely. Should Azeem Rafiq's accounts be given ANY credit or acknowledgement after it has been proven he too was guilty in the exact same behaviour he has accused others of doing to him? Absolutely fucking not.

He's an antisemite who was racist to others and is now crying about receiving racist abuse himself. Goose and gander spring to mind in his case. He deserves no more attention on this subject. He's not the poster boy of addressing racism in sport some are still clinging on to. He's raised an important issue, yes, but after this revelation, his part is the conversation is over. Why should we acknowledge a racists opinion about racism in sport?

I’ve posted twice now (before todays news) that a friend of mine involved in cricket for a long time is very good friends with an ex Lancashire player who questioned and quoted examples about Rafiq’s dubious character, it’s not made up, it’s fact. I don’t like Yorkshire’s stance and I’m glad they’re being held accountable but there’s a lot of racist hatred from the Muslim community in this country not only directed at other religions but also certain sects within their own. That’s my last post on this thread because as always the fucking do gooders/looney left on here never want to objectively discuss subjects where the outcome doesn’t suit their agenda even when their arguments are flawed.

 

[MCFCTrick]

He’s admitted it to be fair but a Tweet at 19 isn’t as bad as full scale years of racist bullying. It’s a mess this and the best approach isn’t to point score.

This does not excuse Bresnan, Gale and Ballance in the slightest.

Agree, but by the same token, Jack Brookes, a former Yorkshire player, now at Taunton has had to apologise for tweets made in 2012, and having to go on a 'diversity' course.

If historic wrongdoings are to be punished, surely it needs to be all to be fair and above board?

 

[Phil1]

What do you mean "you don't know"? He's just admitted to doing it!

And are you really serious about your final sentence? Two wrong's don't make a right, why are still attempting to defend his behaviour now that he has been exposed of doing exactly what he has accused others of doing? How can we now take his accounts seriously with the same fevour as before when there is evidence he himself is/was anti-semitic?

It can now easily be brushed aside that those who were racist towards him aren't anymore so therefore, hey, everything is "evened up", right?

What do you mean "you don't know"? He's just admitted to doing it!

And are you really serious about your final sentence? Two wrong's don't make a right, why are still attempting to defend his behaviour now that he has been exposed of doing exactly what he has accused others of doing? How can we now take his accounts seriously with the same fevour as before when there is evidence he himself is/was anti-semitic?

It can now easily be brushed aside that those who were racist towards him aren't anymore so therefore, hey, everything is "evened up", right?

Because I don’t know if the young man who made those comments is still the same man today.
If he is then yeah, fuck him.

 

[blueinsa]

There’s fuck all peculiar going on.
Any derogatory tweets deserve calling out regardless of who or what they are aimed at.
A whole cricketing organisation spending years being institutionally racist also deserve calling out.
It’s up to you how you choose to determine which is worse.

This is my issue.

YCCC and others have been racist. 100% they need sanctioning and those found guilty dealing with.

Azeem is now found abusing people and using racist language and it’s described by yourself as “shitty” or “derogatory”.

Sorry, it’s racist, it’s deplorable and once they have thrown the book at YCCC and those who abused Azeem racially they can throw the book at him as well.

 

[Metal Biker]

I’ve posted twice now (before todays news) that a friend of mine involved in cricket for a long time is very good friends with an ex Lancashire player who questioned and quoted examples about Rafiq’s dubious character, it’s not made up, it’s fact. I don’t like Yorkshire’s stance and I’m glad they’re being held accountable but there’s a lot of racist hatred from the Muslim community in this country not only directed at other religions but also certain sects within their own. That’s my last post on this thread because as always the fucking do gooders/looney left on here never want to objectively discuss subjects where the outcome doesn’t suit their agenda even when their arguments are flawed.

I never said it wasn;t made up, nor have I denied Rafiq's testimonies.

I'm merely suggesting is that we now have the testimony about racism in cricket from an admitted racist anti-semite, and that we should ask how much creedance we can now give him.

Would you willingly accept a racists personal opinions about racism so readily?