The point I'm making is that people in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones.
Wouldn't that also apply to those he's accusing? If he (as of yet hasn't) publicly stated that he has changed his views, why not allow others the opportunity to state their own change in behaviour and regret of their action, before demonising them publicly?
Until I hear him state that he is just as culpable of abuse as those he has accused, that is the view I have of him. Just as until I hear those he has accused publicly state they regret and admit their actions but have worked to mature and understand why their remarks and behaviour was abhorrent, I will regard them as being racially ignorant.
Because at no point has he stated that he himself was part of that institutional racism towards Jews.Why do people keep saying this?
The entire point of the parable is that everyone has committed sins.
It's not "you can never blow the whistle on institutionalised racism against all black and asian people in the Yorkshire dressing room because you said something racist 11 years ago"
It does, yes.Wouldn't that also apply to those he's accusing? If he (as of yet hasn't) publicly stated that he has changed his views, why not allow others the opportunity to state their own change in behaviour and regret of their action, before demonising them publicly?
Until I hear him state that he is just as culpable of abuse as those he has accused, that is the view I have of him. Just as until I hear those he has accused publicly state they regret and admit their actions but have worked to mature and understand why their remarks and behaviour was abhorrent, I will regard them as being racially ignorant.
Yes I have.FFS you haven't even read Azeem Rafiq's statement.
I'm not going to lie, I am initially angry, as anyone would be.It does, yes.
I think I'm just going to wait for everything to come out now and for the dust to settle before I make anymore judgements. There's no doubt more skeletons in closets to be revealed yet.
Why didn't I give a shit? Because I didn't post on a Bluemoon thread discussing the issue before today?FFS you haven't even read Azeem Rafiq's statement, in which he says he "hopes and believes he is a different person now than he was".
And you clearly didn't give a shit about this story until tonight, because if you had, you'd have known that Azeem Rafiq literally stood up infront of a parliamentary committee and said he believed his abusers (Vaughan) didn't remember their words, because it's natural for it to mean much, much more to the person who receives the abuse.
He also repeatedly directed the enquiry away from the individuals involved, because the key part of the story is not that player A abused player B, it's that Yorkshire didn't act on reports of racism, that the players union worked against a player reporting racism and with the club to cover it up, and the ECB sat around doing nothing, allowing Yorkshire to clear themselves.
back in 81 we were all singing about yids and belson, maybe not all of us but the vast majority of match going bluesWhen I was in my teens I definitely used what I'd now consider was awful language ie racist and antisemitic. Now at the time I didn't consider myself racist or anti semetic because I was too stupid to realise that by the literal definition I was. This is going back nearly 30 years.
Now, as a 44 year old man who hasn't used any derogatory isms for many many years due to educating myself and many travels around the world I'd be insulted if somebody still considered me to be a racist or anti semetic
We've no chance of moving forward if we can't accept that circumstances can change, and yes, I'm happy to include members of YCCC in that if they have indeed changed their mindsets over the last couple of decades.
Yes I have.
He was angry but he's a different person now. Why did he not raise this before he accused others? Why did he omit his own behaviour when giving his statements? Did he not consider them part of the instiutional racism.
you clearly didn't give a shit about this story until tonight, because if you had, you'd have known that Azeem Rafiq literally stood up infront of a parliamentary committee and said he believed his abusers (Vaughan) didn't remember their words, because it's natural for it to mean much, much more to the person who receives the abuse.
Why would someone ever forget about having anti-semitic opinions?I added this to my original comment, but i'll put it here as well
So even before this had surfaced, Rafiq had accepted that someone might not remember a racist comment made, because they don't attribute the weight that the abused person does.
Seems pretty obvious to everyone other than you that he forgot about this comment and therefore couldn't raise it himself. If he could remember, he'd have deleted it months ago wouldn't he?