I‘ve no doubt that Azeem Rafiq was the victim of racist behaviour whilst playing for YCCC but I’m also now in no doubt that Azeem Rafiq is a racist himself and I’m not interested in anything he has to say anymore because the guy is nothing but a hypocrite.
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My experiences are what lead me to hold this opinion of him and to be as critical of him as I have. So yes, as I said, I DO believe what I believe.
Third time now you've accused me of "lying". It seems your "go to" comment when you've been backed into a corner. Here's a tip, in future just say "fair enough" and then stop replying.
You look less of a tit that way.
You've not backed anyone into a corner. I've accused you of lying because you keep doing it. It's become pretty clear that you struggle to argue with what people actually say, and instead invent straw men.
No one denied your experiences. No one even mentioned your experiences.
What I said, very clearly, is that I don't think you genuinely hold the view that every whistle blower should search through their memory and publicly disclose every bad opinion or prejudice they've had before reporting something.
I don't believe you hold that view because it's patently absurd, and the only person who'd want that to be the case would be someone who wanted to suppress all whistleblowers in every walk of life.
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You claim I don't believe what i'm saying. I'm telling you I do, based on my own experiences. You call me a liar, therefore denying that my experiences are truthful.You've not backed anyone into a corner. I've accused you of lying because you keep doing it.
No one denied your experiences. No one even mentioned your experiences.
Why would I, as a Jew, not be as angry about this as I should be?
You claim I don't believe what i'm saying. I'm telling you I do, based on my own experiences. You call me a liar, therefore denying that my experiences are truthful.
Why would I, as a Jew, not be as angry about this as I should be?
Why would anyone, no matter what religion or race, think that every whistle blower should search through their memory and publicly disclose every bad opinion or prejudice they've had before reporting something?
No one would. So no, I don't believe it's a genuine opinion.
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I see. He's raised an issue of racism so his former anti-semitism shouldn't be criticised?Why would anyone, no matter what religion or race, think that every whistle blower should search through their memory and publicly disclose every bad opinion or prejudice they've had before reporting something?
No one would. So no, I don't believe it's a genuine opinion.
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Fair enough, but my initial point stands.Brooks had done more than just tweeting, he's involved with all this making names up for Pakistani players too.
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I'd like to see him donate some of it to charityBut you are a something of a hypocrite if you do.
P.S. Will he repay the six-figure compensation award that he 'won' a week ago?
You genuinely think those couple of messages from 10 years ago make him a racist?I‘ve no doubt that Azeem Rafiq was the victim of racist behaviour whilst playing for YCCC but I’m also now in no doubt that Azeem Rafiq is a racist himself and I’m not interested in anything he has to say anymore because the guy is nothing but a hypocrite.
I see. He's raised an issue of racism so his former anti-semitism shouldn't be criticised?
Again you've invented a straw man.
Nowhere did I say he shouldn't be criticised. Criticise away. I myself have condemned it as racist and euated him to a gang member turning evidence. Criticism is more than fair.
The idea he should have remembered that he believed antisemitic stereotypes when he was 19 and then publicly disclosed them before reporting anyone else is what I've taken issue with. Or did you forget that's what you said he should have done?
It has been widely criticised. I haven’t really seen anyone defending his comments.I see. He's raised an issue of racism so his former anti-semitism shouldn't be criticised?
A couple of prominent Jewish spokespeople seem willing to accept his apology though, which I think is a positive development:
Claudia Mendoza, co-chief executive of the Jewish Leadership Council, said Rafiq had "undoubtedly" learned a lot since 2011.
"There's no doubt that this is massively awkward for Azeem Rafiq," Mendoza wrote on Twitter.
"But he's taken full ownership, apologised, and undoubtedly - through his own experiences - learnt a lot about racism since then."
Marie van der Zyl, president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, said: "Azeem Rafiq has suffered terribly at the hands of racists in cricket so he will well understand the hurt this exchange will cause to Jews who have supported him.
"His apology certainly seems heartfelt and we have no reason to believe he is not completely sincere."
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