Wow, my off the cuff comment seemingly touched a nerve. One that provoked you to come out with some classic drivel of your own. Pillock.
Thanks for your helpful reply. I can see why you like Croatia and I’m sure most of the people are great. I would have liked to be going to the return game but my money is going on the trip to Italy for the Bergamo game.
That said, i do think most place in Britain are pretty good. Also, it’s a bit difficult to compare aggression in a pub in Nantwich (and even knife crime problems) with a Country that’s been at War in our fairly recent memory. I hope all those troubles are in the past.
Yes we’ve got idiots too. However, as well as the many decent fans Zagreb will have, they do seem to have some paramilitary style hooligans the kinds of which we don’t have to deal with here.
Can’t take an umbrella in but you can take a drum, utter joke.I thought they were singing Fuck VAR. Why were they allowed to take a drum in?
I'm no stranger to witnessing violence and hooliganism in the 70's and 80's and as everyone knows it was far worse then than what it is today. Since we moved to the Etihad I stand at the end of a row in 111 right next to the segregation barrier, so I am as well qualified as anyone to comment upon last night and give it some context. I've witnessed within touching distance every group of away fans at the Etihad, whether they be rags, scousers, cockneys, Welsh, Scottish or indeed foreign fans from Italy, Poland or Eastern Europe. So here is my two pence worth on last night.
Whilst the Zagrab fans last night aren't even close to being as violent as it once was, they were by far the worse that I have seen at the Etihad, and I've seen every single one of the away fans followings. Right from kick off they were aggressive and intimidating, particularly those next to me at the bottom corner near East Stand 111. This was made worse in that particular section due to the fact that one particular City fan was openly wearing an Hadjuk Split football shirt, Zagrebs hated rivals, only a few yards away from the segregation barrier. This provocative act certainly had its desired effect to the already boisterous and aggressive Zagreb fans near to us in 111. The missiles were thrown initially towards this fan but many innocents were hit in the barrage. I was hit on the head with a lighter and numerous coins, together with being hit on the head by a seat which also broke my spectacles as they were hit and fell on the floor. I collected six euro coins and handed them to a senior Showsec steward to aid his memory and include it in any post match report or debriefing he may do.
After around 15 minutes two plain clothes police from Zagreb informed Showsec stewards and the six or so GMP officers there of the offending shirt and he subsequently put his coat on before eventually moving away from the area. It was obvious that the situation could easily have got out of hand, not just near us but almost everywhere along all the segregation lines around their fans. The Showsec stewards were out of their depth and comfort zone, as the majority on duty were either young girls or young lads, more used to working pop bands at the MEN Arena, than boisterous Eastern European football ultras. There were a total of six GMP officers without riot gear near to us and a further nine dotted around the other segregation lines. This was clearly insufficient to control the Zagreb fans, who by now were openly drinking, smoking, kicking seats, spitting, throwing seats and generally behaving aggressively without any form of intervention whatsoever. The game was 70 minutes old before 15 GMP officers arrived near to 111 to stand on the segregation line properly kitted out in helmets and the like. Even then they deliberately refused to remove any Zagreb fan displaying threatening behaviour, making Nazi salutes, or indeed the customary "offering out" of our fans. There were no takers from our side, whether this was due to a lack of "back up numbers" or from seeing sense.
After 30 minutes or so, missiles were still being sporadically launched, my 22 year old son was hit on the temple by a flying seat. My other son, 24, stood next to his brother and directly behind me, quite rightly had seen and had enough, not just his Dad and brother being hit on the head with seats, but by GMP's authoritative attitude towards us and not towards the Zagreb fans. He became verbally aggressive and kicked at his seat in frustration, at the complete lack of control shown by the stewards and GMP. But guess what? All of a sudden a couple of GMP officers decided to show a bit of authority and got another couple of GMP officers ready to throw out (arrest maybe?) my two sons and myself for what can only be described as us showing frustration at the events, not even showing meek retaliation. To avoid being thrown out or arrested or seriously hurt by flying coins and seats, I had to tell my two sons to leave the area minutes before half time. I too decided it best to leave the area so watched the rest of the game from near the back of the stand.
All this leaves a few questions needing to be answered. Why were there NO Police manning the segregation lines at the beginning of the match? Why were there insufficient numbers of Police on the segregation lines throughout the whole game? Why did it take 70 minutes before 15 Police dressed appropriately in riot gear, arrive at the volatile area near to 111? Why did GMP Police only act against City fans who had reacted to being hit with missiles, or covered in spit and piss? The Police were clearly outnumbered and ill prepared and it was no wonder they refused to control the Zagreb fans, clearly refusing to go in amongst the Zagreb fans for fear of their own safety and/or further inciting the already volatile away fans atmosphere.
These questions need answering because without doubt, if the Zagreb fans near to us in 111 really wanted to jump over the segregating barrier, then they could have easily done so. No doubt much fisticuffs would then have resulted and quite a few innocent City fans would have sustained injury. We have all seen pockets of European fans over the years in "our ends" at the Etihad and we have all seen rowdy and boisterous European away fans along the segregation lines. Unfortunately UEFA and the GMP will not learn or heed the warnings from last night and previous. It is unfortunately only a matter of time before it does "kick off" properly. Apologies for the long post.
I seen a bloke against Watford with a Scotland shirt on,He Needed knicking.Whoever went wearing a Hajduk top needs nicking and charging. Why not go the whole hog and go to the away leg wearing a Red Star shirt with a number 90 and " ARKAN" on the back. What a complete bell end.
I had no idea it was so bad from my vantage seat in 326. Thanks for posting.I'm no stranger to witnessing violence and hooliganism in the 70's and 80's and as everyone knows it was far worse then than what it is today. Since we moved to the Etihad I stand at the end of a row in 111 right next to the segregation barrier, so I am as well qualified as anyone to comment upon last night and give it some context. I've witnessed within touching distance every group of away fans at the Etihad, whether they be rags, scousers, cockneys, Welsh, Scottish or indeed foreign fans from Italy, Poland or Eastern Europe. So here is my two pence worth on last night.
Whilst the Zagrab fans last night aren't even close to being as violent as it once was, they were by far the worse that I have seen at the Etihad, and I've seen every single one of the away fans followings. Right from kick off they were aggressive and intimidating, particularly those next to me at the bottom corner near East Stand 111. This was made worse in that particular section due to the fact that one particular City fan was openly wearing an Hadjuk Split football shirt, Zagrebs hated rivals, only a few yards away from the segregation barrier. This provocative act certainly had its desired effect to the already boisterous and aggressive Zagreb fans near to us in 111. The missiles were thrown initially towards this fan but many innocents were hit in the barrage. I was hit on the head with a lighter and numerous coins, together with being hit on the head by a seat which also broke my spectacles as they were hit and fell on the floor. I collected six euro coins and handed them to a senior Showsec steward to aid his memory and include it in any post match report or debriefing he may do.
After around 15 minutes two plain clothes police from Zagreb informed Showsec stewards and the six or so GMP officers there of the offending shirt and he subsequently put his coat on before eventually moving away from the area. It was obvious that the situation could easily have got out of hand, not just near us but almost everywhere along all the segregation lines around their fans. The Showsec stewards were out of their depth and comfort zone, as the majority on duty were either young girls or young lads, more used to working pop bands at the MEN Arena, than boisterous Eastern European football ultras. There were a total of six GMP officers without riot gear near to us and a further nine dotted around the other segregation lines. This was clearly insufficient to control the Zagreb fans, who by now were openly drinking, smoking, kicking seats, spitting, throwing seats and generally behaving aggressively without any form of intervention whatsoever. The game was 70 minutes old before 15 GMP officers arrived near to 111 to stand on the segregation line properly kitted out in helmets and the like. Even then they deliberately refused to remove any Zagreb fan displaying threatening behaviour, making Nazi salutes, or indeed the customary "offering out" of our fans. There were no takers from our side, whether this was due to a lack of "back up numbers" or from seeing sense.
After 30 minutes or so, missiles were still being sporadically launched, my 22 year old son was hit on the temple by a flying seat. My other son, 24, stood next to his brother and directly behind me, quite rightly had seen and had enough, not just his Dad and brother being hit on the head with seats, but by GMP's authoritative attitude towards us and not towards the Zagreb fans. He became verbally aggressive and kicked at his seat in frustration, at the complete lack of control shown by the stewards and GMP. But guess what? All of a sudden a couple of GMP officers decided to show a bit of authority and got another couple of GMP officers ready to throw out (arrest maybe?) my two sons and myself for what can only be described as us showing frustration at the events, not even showing meek retaliation. To avoid being thrown out or arrested or seriously hurt by flying coins and seats, I had to tell my two sons to leave the area minutes before half time. I too decided it best to leave the area so watched the rest of the game from near the back of the stand.
All this leaves a few questions needing to be answered. Why were there NO Police manning the segregation lines at the beginning of the match? Why were there insufficient numbers of Police on the segregation lines throughout the whole game? Why did it take 70 minutes before 15 Police dressed appropriately in riot gear, arrive at the volatile area near to 111? Why did GMP Police only act against City fans who had reacted to being hit with missiles, or covered in spit and piss? The Police were clearly outnumbered and ill prepared and it was no wonder they refused to control the Zagreb fans, clearly refusing to go in amongst the Zagreb fans for fear of their own safety and/or further inciting the already volatile away fans atmosphere.
These questions need answering because without doubt, if the Zagreb fans near to us in 111 really wanted to jump over the segregating barrier, then they could have easily done so. No doubt much fisticuffs would then have resulted and quite a few innocent City fans would have sustained injury. We have all seen pockets of European fans over the years in "our ends" at the Etihad and we have all seen rowdy and boisterous European away fans along the segregation lines. Unfortunately UEFA and the GMP will not learn or heed the warnings from last night and previous. It is unfortunately only a matter of time before it does "kick off" properly. Apologies for the long post.
Uefa will charge us with not keeping them under control,watch this space...150 seats ripped out, the daft ****s. Hope we bill them for the damage.
They were probably mostly in town policing the party conference.All this leaves a few questions needing to be answered. Why were there NO Police manning the segregation lines at the beginning of the match? Why were there insufficient numbers of Police on the segregation lines throughout the whole game? Why did it take 70 minutes before 15 Police dressed appropriately in riot gear, arrive at the volatile area near to 111?