Zagreb fans behaviour

purplenose said:
"Ivan" Christ good job I hadnt been on holiday to the West Indies or Goa I wonder what you would be calling me then!

Yes You are quite right I am suggesting that in many respects it is a lot better than the UK in my opinion of course. Less divided and with much less racial tension and disharmony for starters.
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Mr Ramprakash maybe.

Unless you've lived there how would you know? You've visited as a tourist and come to this conclusion, that's absurd.

I don't give a toss personally. I've never holidayed there for a long period but seeing the antics and knowing the reputation of the football supporters does suggest to me that there will no doubt be a large proportion of people that aren't quite as lovely and as hospitable as you suggest. I went to Zagreb 10 years ago for an England game (1-4 Walcott hat-trick) and thought it was OK but found the people to be rather moody to be honest. I suppose it's unfair to brand that as the norm seeing as there were a few thousand England supporters there doing what football supporters do but still, I've been to plenty of places that have embraced that sort of thing, left a good impression and in turn made me want to return without the football.

A few posters on here have suggested Croatia as a holiday destination and to be fair it does look nice, so much so that I've mentioned it to my wife as a place we should try over the next few years. After seeing that mob at our place on Tuesday though has my wife thinking she'd rather go to Portugal or lake garda again instead though.

You like the place though and fair play to you but your reaction to my initial post was hysterical, akin to a tabloid reaction to Bernardo silvas innocent tweet.
 
jollylescott said:
So we have been charged as well? Can’t take a trick with UEFA.
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Hate to do it but I suppose we did chuck some stuff (back) & probably a few other bits, it'll have been by our neanderthals are we have some too so they are correct in charging us, would actually have been impressed if they'd gone after City... it'd make the club sit up and actually deal with stuff at CL games, that's before anyone has a pop at my comment.

I'd expect any fines to be proportional for the chucking & a big one for them for them damage.
 
There you go then!!!!!! Exactly as I said earlier in thread UEFA charge us as well!!! Fucking unreal!!!!
 
RACHACE said:
Mr Ramprakash maybe.

Unless you've lived there how would you know? You've visited as a tourist and come to this conclusion, that's absurd.

I don't give a toss personally. I've never holidayed there for a long period but seeing the antics and knowing the reputation of the football supporters does suggest to me that there will no doubt be a large proportion of people that aren't quite as lovely and as hospitable as you suggest. I went to Zagreb 10 years ago for an England game (1-4 Walcott hat-trick) and thought it was OK but found the people to be rather moody to be honest. I suppose it's unfair to brand that as the norm seeing as there were a few thousand England supporters there doing what football supporters do but still, I've been to plenty of places that have embraced that sort of thing, left a good impression and in turn made me want to return without the football.

A few posters on here have suggested Croatia as a holiday destination and to be fair it does look nice, so much so that I've mentioned it to my wife as a place we should try over the next few years. After seeing that mob at our place on Tuesday though has my wife thinking she'd rather go to Portugal or lake garda again instead though.

You like the place though and fair play to you but your reaction to my initial post was hysterical, akin to a tabloid reaction to Bernardo silvas innocent tweet.
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Fair enough...Mr Richards if you dont mind, but Tendulkar was a short arse too so i will take it.

Tell your Mrs not to let them put her or you off, I promise you its a great place. I hear Garda is beautiful my late dad went there with mum and they loved it. Took me until January last to discover Portugal for some reason. Needless to say I will be fleeing the winter weather a couple of times down to Cacela.
 
blue b4 the moon said:
Hate to do it but I suppose we did chuck some stuff (back) & probably a few other bits, it'll have been by our neanderthals are we have some too so they are correct in charging us, would actually have been impressed if they'd gone after City... it'd make the club sit up and actually deal with stuff at CL games, that's before anyone has a pop at my comment.

I'd expect any fines to be proportional for the chucking & a big one for them for them damage.
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I don think UEFA know how to work proportionally, no doubt it will be an even fine. The only extra fine for Zagreb will be actual stadium damage.

Will uefa look at video footage ? No not got time, easier to throw a fine at both.

Had more money been spent on policing and correct segregation planning then a lot of the missile throwing could have been avoided therefore avoiding a fine going to city.
 
Maccblue said:
Just ban us, save me a fortune shite competition run by wankers
Let’s just opt out see how they reac
give me the league cup any day
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Aye the same league cup that gave liverpool a slap on the wrist for playing an inegliable player ok the Sergio, Dave and Kevin our big games are against Burton not Barcelona that will go down well !!!
 
Gray said:
I have been to Dubrovnik (3 times), Cavtat, Split, Hvar & Korkula. Loved them all and found the people to be very friendly and welcoming, considering what they have gone through in recent years.

The football has to be taken as a separate entity to the country as a whole.
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Do you recommend Korkula haha? Booked 3 weeks next july and doing Dub, hvar and split but was thinking of the ferry to Korkula. Also going to Vis island. Thanks
 
Fred_Quimby said:
unfortunately the young uns don’t know how to ‘behave’ at games. Let’s put this in perspective, most clubs in this country have the same problem.

I believe the main problem has been not bringing the Kippax with us to a new stadium. A lot of the old Kippax gang decided that in a new stadium to take seats around the ground.
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It’s been a long time since we moved I’m not sure that this is the problem anymore. Like I said, big game atmosphere isn’t a problem so therefore it something else.
 
higgi1p said:
There you go then!!!!!! Exactly as I said earlier in thread UEFA charge us as well!!! Fucking unreal!!!!
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Why is it ? It has been openly stated on here that we threw things. It does not matter who threw them first just that our fans threw objects. We have been charged for that reason. I cannot see why people are slagging UEFA on this one.
 
OffertonBlue said:
I'm no stranger to witnessing violence and hooliganism in the 70's and 80's and as everyone knows it was far worse then than what it is today. Since we moved to the Etihad I stand at the end of a row in 111 right next to the segregation barrier, so I am as well qualified as anyone to comment upon last night and give it some context. I've witnessed within touching distance every group of away fans at the Etihad, whether they be rags, scousers, cockneys, Welsh, Scottish or indeed foreign fans from Italy, Poland or Eastern Europe. So here is my two pence worth on last night.
Whilst the Zagrab fans last night aren't even close to being as violent as it once was, they were by far the worse that I have seen at the Etihad, and I've seen every single one of the away fans followings. Right from kick off they were aggressive and intimidating, particularly those next to me at the bottom corner near East Stand 111. This was made worse in that particular section due to the fact that one particular City fan was openly wearing an Hadjuk Split football shirt, Zagrebs hated rivals, only a few yards away from the segregation barrier. This provocative act certainly had its desired effect to the already boisterous and aggressive Zagreb fans near to us in 111. The missiles were thrown initially towards this fan but many innocents were hit in the barrage. I was hit on the head with a lighter and numerous coins, together with being hit on the head by a seat which also broke my spectacles as they were hit and fell on the floor. I collected six euro coins and handed them to a senior Showsec steward to aid his memory and include it in any post match report or debriefing he may do.
After around 15 minutes two plain clothes police from Zagreb informed Showsec stewards and the six or so GMP officers there of the offending shirt and he subsequently put his coat on before eventually moving away from the area. It was obvious that the situation could easily have got out of hand, not just near us but almost everywhere along all the segregation lines around their fans. The Showsec stewards were out of their depth and comfort zone, as the majority on duty were either young girls or young lads, more used to working pop bands at the MEN Arena, than boisterous Eastern European football ultras. There were a total of six GMP officers without riot gear near to us and a further nine dotted around the other segregation lines. This was clearly insufficient to control the Zagreb fans, who by now were openly drinking, smoking, kicking seats, spitting, throwing seats and generally behaving aggressively without any form of intervention whatsoever. The game was 70 minutes old before 15 GMP officers arrived near to 111 to stand on the segregation line properly kitted out in helmets and the like. Even then they deliberately refused to remove any Zagreb fan displaying threatening behaviour, making Nazi salutes, or indeed the customary "offering out" of our fans. There were no takers from our side, whether this was due to a lack of "back up numbers" or from seeing sense.
After 30 minutes or so, missiles were still being sporadically launched, my 22 year old son was hit on the temple by a flying seat. My other son, 24, stood next to his brother and directly behind me, quite rightly had seen and had enough, not just his Dad and brother being hit on the head with seats, but by GMP's authoritative attitude towards us and not towards the Zagreb fans. He became verbally aggressive and kicked at his seat in frustration, at the complete lack of control shown by the stewards and GMP. But guess what? All of a sudden a couple of GMP officers decided to show a bit of authority and got another couple of GMP officers ready to throw out (arrest maybe?) my two sons and myself for what can only be described as us showing frustration at the events, not even showing meek retaliation. To avoid being thrown out or arrested or seriously hurt by flying coins and seats, I had to tell my two sons to leave the area minutes before half time. I too decided it best to leave the area so watched the rest of the game from near the back of the stand.
All this leaves a few questions needing to be answered. Why were there NO Police manning the segregation lines at the beginning of the match? Why were there insufficient numbers of Police on the segregation lines throughout the whole game? Why did it take 70 minutes before 15 Police dressed appropriately in riot gear, arrive at the volatile area near to 111? Why did GMP Police only act against City fans who had reacted to being hit with missiles, or covered in spit and piss? The Police were clearly outnumbered and ill prepared and it was no wonder they refused to control the Zagreb fans, clearly refusing to go in amongst the Zagreb fans for fear of their own safety and/or further inciting the already volatile away fans atmosphere.
These questions need answering because without doubt, if the Zagreb fans near to us in 111 really wanted to jump over the segregating barrier, then they could have easily done so. No doubt much fisticuffs would then have resulted and quite a few innocent City fans would have sustained injury. We have all seen pockets of European fans over the years in "our ends" at the Etihad and we have all seen rowdy and boisterous European away fans along the segregation lines. Unfortunately UEFA and the GMP will not learn or heed the warnings from last night and previous. It is unfortunately only a matter of time before it does "kick off" properly. Apologies for the long post.
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UEFA and GMP are to blame but City are to blame too. I posted on here weeks ago “The Balkans fans are the most active hooligans in Europe”. I know what it was going to be like the moment we drew them. City and GMP, like you say, prepared for a crowd like it was a pop concert at the MEN. They had their heads up their arses and are out of touch with fan culture in other countries.

There weren’t Zagreb fans dotted about the home end last night but three or four times in my block over the years it’s been very very close to breaking out into a brawl, a mass brawl when it was Celtic, because UEFA tell City they want seats in prime positions in the home end.

City should tell them “we are sorry, but NO, this is not safe, so we will not fulfil this demand”!

Against Celtic, me and another lad had been moved further down our block that night but my normal seat was actually empty. Other lads we sit with were left in their normal seats and they had Celtic fans behind them and next to them on the other side who were shouting stuff at them to intimidate them, so me and the other lad who’d been moved went up and sat with them in the second half and had a word with the Celtic fans and told them to wind their necks in. The ones around us did, but most further back in the block didn’t.

The Celtic fans spend 35 minutes in the second half singing IRA songs and that included fans in the back of our block. There were City fans kicking off with them all half and City fans were coming from other blocks to come and fight them.

How it didn’t become a serious situation I’ll never know. Probably the fear of being on security cameras just stops that, but something really bad could have happened that night.

In these areas of the stadium where pockets of away fans are it’s been edgy a number of times and kicked off a few times (Bayern, Moscow, Plzen of all sets of fans, Celtic), yet there is no segregation, no extra stewarding, and not a single fucking Police officer in sight in these areas.

There has also been two Napoli fans smoking in their seats, a Roma fans smoking a cigar in his seat in our block before. Nothing major I know but if that had been City fans they’d have been kicked out.

But for fuck’s sake GMP and City, know your audience and prepare for games properly. Those Police in riot gear should have been across the two divides from the start of the game the other night and arrests should have been made. If we acted like they did the other night anywhere in Europe, we’d be truncheoned to fuck by the Police.
 
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Blue Mist said:
Why is it ? It has been openly stated on here that we threw things. It does not matter who threw them first just that our fans threw objects. We have been charged for that reason. I cannot see why people are slagging UEFA on this one.
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Bets that City's fine for this is the bigger than Zagreb's.
 
Shaggy said:
When the draw was made, I was hoping Dinamo Zagreb were drawn in Red Stars group.

All these european clubs with their cheerleader lead fans, and megaphone lead chants, cock spanners the lot of them.
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Correct!

Cheesy try-hards with shit songs and annoying drums, all clapping like it’s “Radio Gaga” at Wembley in ’86 and daft “I’m too sexy for my shirt” moments.

Our atmosphere was shit the other night but give me our good atmospheres over the Europop Ultras nonsense every fucking day of the week!
 
Maccblue said:
Just ban us, save me a fortune shite competition run by wankers
Let’s just opt out see how they react

give me the league cup any day
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We can dream...

I’d genuinely welcome a European ban, I only go because the players want to win it.
 
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