General Election June 8th

[Xiphos]

If the Tories remain in power, I'm off.....

You'v already gone you Morrisey loving t*** lol, you can have this bunch of snowflakes over there
Lilly Allen
Geldorf
Lineker
Gina Miller
Corbyn
Abbott
That very punchable twat Farron
Clegg
The house of lords
Dennis fucking Skinner

 

[SWP's back]

Dennis fucking Skinner

The wank stain.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

If the Tories remain in power, I'm off.....

This is how it feels to be British,
This is how it feels to be small.
We've got Theresa
You've got Donald J Trump, Donald J Trump

 

[bluethrunthru]

Glad someone else understands the simple logic of why May will be strongly advised - for very good reasons - that she would be doing the UK a major disservice if she was to put herself in a position of having to disclose sensitive information about the forthcoming negotiations just as they are about to start.

Just what level of obsession or lack of ability to think things through is it that makes people capable of not understanding this very simple fact

except she called the snap GE herself and made it quite clear its about Brexit in her view - ergo she opens herself up to questions on Brexit she'd rather not answer. A fucking masterstroke. The last Tory PM to call an unnecessary national vote that he assumed he would win and May could have made the same arrogant mistake

 

[bluethrunthru]

But she doesn't have to give anything away in a TV debate. I think most people would be quite interested in hearing where she stands on the NHS, social care, the plan to reduce the deficit, affordable housing, etc. None of those involve giving away any Brexit negotiation secrets.

Because her policies are more of the same failures that we are currently experiencing - why would she want to be questioned on that. Add into the mix its about Brexit but she doesn't want to answer questions on that either and prepare for lots of "strong stable leadership" ( said 13 times in a 5 minute speech yesterday ) and "the coalition of chaos" ( the one Sir Linton thought up overnight ) but very little substance - thats what she has gone to the country on !! Trust a PM who has had two major issues in her short time in charge - repeatedly she denied she would call a snap GE - and the assurance that the self employed NI budget move was fair and needed - both rolled back. And we should trust her?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Anyone else seen this tweet from the supposedly impartial BBC's Nick Robinson;

No-one should be surprised that @jeremycorbyn is running v the "Establishment" & is long on passion & short on details. Story of his life

 

[mcfc1632]

Oh come off it. Her avoiding the debates has nothing to do with Brexit. The reason she's avoiding it is cos she has nothing to gain and everything to lose. If she agrees to do it and makes a tit of herself then the poll numbers could start heading in the wrong direction. Don't try and pass this off as some masterplan to keep our Brexit cards close to our chest.

You are not absolutely wrong - just, IMO, mostly.

I agree with you that there is another factor '............she has nothing to gain and everything to lose....' as you say. So it may well be true that if this was 'just another election' and did not have the Brexit factor at it's heart, May, or any other sitting PM might wish to avoid debates.

But this is a side issue and the point I make about the negotiations is absolute fact - and should easily be understood if people just take time to think.

E.g.

"Mrs May - can you absolutely confirm that once the deal is concluded the UK will not be making significant contributions to the EU?" or

"Mrs May - following conclusion of the deal can you confirm that there will be no areas of UK life that will be subject to the jurisdiction of the ECJ?"

"Mrs May - can you confirm that you would be willing to pay money into the EU if it was to secure access to the single market whilst not being forced to accept FOM?"

and many many more such questions.

There are 3 stakeholder groups that would wish to hear the head of the UK Negotiating team expose key aspects of the negotiating strategy, her Red Lines and leave herself tied to 'hostages to fortune'.

1. the EU Negotiating Team - very useful information which will give them the ability to play games with the UK to back us into corners where public commitments have been made.

2. The Remainers - largely for the same reason, but for a different target - they want to undermine and hopefully reverse Brexit. They would wish to keep in the public mind a mood of doom and gloom and if told a number of the key deliverables from Brexit they will be all over the media explaining how they cannot be achieved - how they evidence some back-sliding etc. They will essentially be agents of the EU causing major distraction. May will want all this to go quiet and following A50 issue it is starting to transfer to smouldering rather than an inferno - why would she pour petrol on it?

3. The Hard Brexit cadre - that will equally want to jump on anything they perceive to be a reduction from the 'fullest Brexit'. May might well have to make compromises as the negotiations unfold - that is how negotiations work.

May needs to be unfettered by all 3 of these groups as she goes into the negotiations - that is why the election is an excellent move. With a large majority she will certainly be free of the Hard Brexiteers threat, she will also be able to face down a lot of the Remainer noise as it reduces. Most importantly it will remove from the EU the hope that they have hitherto had good reason to hold, that machinations in the UK can lead to Brexit being undermined from within or even reversed. That means that they will have to face up to the fact that we are leaving and get down to negotiating rather than stalling and dragging things out.

 

[domalino]

Anyone else seen this tweet from the supposedly impartial BBC's Nick Robinson;

He's got to be impartial whilst performing his job on the BBC, his personal twitter account is where he can voice his own views, which can be whatever.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

Anyone else seen this tweet from the supposedly impartial BBC's Nick Robinson;

Hmm Nick 'Bertie' Robinson.

 

[mcfc1632]

But she doesn't have to give anything away in a TV debate. I think most people would be quite interested in hearing where she stands on the NHS, social care, the plan to reduce the deficit, affordable housing, etc. None of those involve giving away any Brexit negotiation secrets.

Ok - I will immediately switch to being a supporter that these debates should take place - as many as people like.

On the condition that there will not be any amount of the scope of questions put being about Brexit and the negotiations. Also, that the others in the debates will absolutely commit to ensuring their comments will under no circumstance be related to Brexit and the negotiations.

Tell me your confidence that would happen?

Would Farron, Sturgeon etc. do that?