Queues

[bainy]

There are not enough turnstiles to allow effective entry into level 3 south stand.
Therefore, queues build up very quickly - add that to ineffective crowd management of the queues / ineffective searching, the problem intensifies.
I get into every away ground, including trafford - considerable quicker than i get into city.

There is a problem - it needs sorting.

 

[Scaring Europe to Death]

Seen a clip from the swamp last week and they appeared to randomly stop and frisk a few people as they are crossing that bridge there leading up to the shithole.
Do they have further checks at the gates?

I was talking to a United fan today, and apparently, they've also had a few issues with long queues and shambolic security measures.
At the St Etienne home game he was asked by a Steward: "Are you French?", to which he replied "No".
He was then allowed to go through the turnstile without being frisked.

 

[ManCitizens.]

Nice to have a sensible chat with you. As I said it's not the requirement to carry out security checks that is the problem - it's a worldwide issue - it's the process that needs to be addressed.

I've contacted the club for an update and just wondered if you had. I just don't understand why people think that moaning on a forum is helpful if you've not first discussed your grievances with the people who can help or explain the situation.

No need to get "arsey"

Taking the 'worldwide issue' into account, surely any terrorist with a brain would just bomb outside the stadium in the middle of the queue?

 

[CC1]

Taking the 'worldwide issue' into account, surely any terrorist with a brain would just bomb outside the stadium in the middle of the queue?

No idea - they've already done that & seem to be able to do the unexpected. However, security is an issue now at any public event & I suppose those in charge can't disclose their concerns because it's a case of trying to be one step ahead all the time. It's a sad situation but regrettably a real one & if it means some inconvenience so be it. Having said that the process needs inspecting by qualified people.

 

[cleavers]

No idea - they've already done that & seem to be able to do the unexpected. However, security is an issue now at any public event & I suppose those in charge can't disclose their concerns because it's a case of trying to be one step ahead all the time. It's a sad situation but regrettably a real one & if it means some inconvenience so be it. Having said that the process needs inspecting by qualified people.

The problem is the queues are actually making it far easier for the terrorist. He/she doesn't care where they kill people, just that they do, and the risk of getting a device into a stadium, even without security, is far greater than just pitching up outside, and hitting a queue. To get inside they have to purchase a ticket for starters, which with 'watched' people might flag an issue, whereas you can jump on a bus in Ashton, get off outside wander across the road, and just stand near a queue.

If not a suicide type attack, it would also be very difficult to get say an automatic weapon into a stadium, whereas you can drive by in a car with the window down, and just shoot at random.

Its pretty much impossible to drive a lorry into a stadium, whereas a queue on the pavement.....

Queue's are at bigger risk than people inside a stadium in my opinion.

I'm far from convinced this is anything to do with security, more of a a side show, @jrb has posted his conversations with the police and stewards earlier in the thread, which suggest its not at the request of the police. Its causing huge inconvenience (especially at night games when people invariably will turn up later due to work), and its something that can be easily rectified by putting the correct resources (searching staff) in place outside, to make sure the queue's don't form in the first place.

The only answer City give is "turn up earlier", whilst they themselves, continue to entertain at City Square until 15 minutes before kick off, why ?

 

[jrb]

The problem is the queues are actually making it far easier for the terrorist. He/she doesn't care where they kill people, just that they do, and the risk of getting a device into a stadium, even without security, is far greater than just pitching up outside, and hitting a queue. To get inside they have to purchase a ticket for starters, which with 'watched' people might flag an issue, whereas you can jump on a bus in Ashton, get off outside wander across the road, and just stand near a queue.

If not a suicide type attack, it would also be very difficult to get say an automatic weapon into a stadium, whereas you can drive by in a car with the window down, and just shoot at random.

Its pretty much impossible to drive a lorry into a stadium, whereas a queue on the pavement.....

Queue's are at bigger risk than people inside a stadium in my opinion.

I'm far from convinced this is anything to do with security, more of a a side show, @jrb has posted his conversations with the police and stewards earlier in the thread, which suggest its not at the request of the police. Its causing huge inconvenience (especially at night games when people invariably will turn up later due to work), and its something that can be easily rectified by putting the correct resources (searching staff) in place outside, to make sure the queue's don't form in the first place.

The only answer City give is "turn up earlier", whilst they themselves, continue to entertain at City Square until 15 minutes before kick off, why ?

Spot on Cleavers.

The club have yet to explain why these searches are being implimented. I stand corrected, but didn't the MUEN ask them for a comment/explanation recently, and the club either didn't reply in full, or they just released a statement telling fans to arrive an hour early.(on a midweeek night, after work, etc)

In theory the club want us in our seats by *6.45*. For a lot of fans that would mean setting of at 6pm, and even then you'd have to fight your way through rush hour traffic.

We have been complaining about these queues for months. They are still just as long, and he searches are getting more intrusive.

My friend at work told me this morning that he was told to put his arms out and turn around before he was searched by a showsec steward.

Seriously, what the f*** is that about? He's going to a football match.

 

[GSW Blue]

On Wednesday night as it was my turn to be searched I walked up to my assailant with my hands up in the traditional "don't shoot" pose. I think it got the point across and Mr Showsec's smile could not hide his obvious inner turmoil.

 

[domalino]

The problem is the queues are actually making it far easier for the terrorist. He/she doesn't care where they kill people, just that they do, and the risk of getting a device into a stadium, even without security, is far greater than just pitching up outside, and hitting a queue. To get inside they have to purchase a ticket for starters, which with 'watched' people might flag an issue, whereas you can jump on a bus in Ashton, get off outside wander across the road, and just stand near a queue.

If not a suicide type attack, it would also be very difficult to get say an automatic weapon into a stadium, whereas you can drive by in a car with the window down, and just shoot at random.

Its pretty much impossible to drive a lorry into a stadium, whereas a queue on the pavement.....

Queue's are at bigger risk than people inside a stadium in my opinion.

I'm far from convinced this is anything to do with security, more of a a side show, @jrb has posted his conversations with the police and stewards earlier in the thread, which suggest its not at the request of the police. Its causing huge inconvenience (especially at night games when people invariably will turn up later due to work), and its something that can be easily rectified by putting the correct resources (searching staff) in place outside, to make sure the queue's don't form in the first place.

The only answer City give is "turn up earlier", whilst they themselves, continue to entertain at City Square until 15 minutes before kick off, why ?

There's a shitload of bollards everywhere so no one's going to be driving a lorry into anyone queuing.

 

[The Pink Panther]

I wish posters would stop harping on about blowing up queues outside the stadium
To the terrorists it's far more important to get the bomb into the venue even if that means they kill far less people than they would outside
It's all about being live on telly

 

[cleavers]

There's a shitload of bollards everywhere so no one's going to be driving a lorry into anyone queuing.

No obviously not, despite the fact that the queues at M1 regularly go out onto the main road, sometimes they do at P as well, but you comfort yourself that an attack on fans outside is unlikely.



The whole thing is bullshit, and it can easily be resolved by putting more people on the searches.

People won't be turning up earlier for night games, because for the majority it simply isn't possible.

 

[cleavers]

I wish posters would stop harping on about blowing up queues outside the stadium
To the terrorists it's far more important to get the bomb into the venue even if that means they kill far less people than they would outside
It's all about being live on telly

Well I've news for you TPP.

Our searches won't prevent someone getting one in as they are totally inadequate, and invariably stopped once the queues are huge, so it might put them off trying to get inside, in which case they'll more likely just take the easy route, outside.
Any attack, whether inside or outside, will be on the TV within minutes of it happening, so I'm sure they will go for the greater casualty figure, rather than the 'oh how clever are we' statement.

 

[The Pink Panther]

Well I've news for you TPP.

Our searches won't prevent someone getting one in as they are totally inadequate, and invariably stopped once the queues are huge, so it might put them off trying to get inside, in which case they'll more likely just take the easy route, outside.
Any attack, whether inside or outside, will be on the TV within minutes of it happening, so I'm sure they will go for the greater casualty figure, rather than the 'oh how clever are we' statement.

You are probably correct mate regarding the physical searches. I don't know what the searches were like in Paris that stopped the bomber entering the stadium. Obviously there was something suspicious. From memory didn't he turn up without a ticket!!
But what the nutters really aspire to is setting a bomb off on live television. Of course setting one off outside in the queues would kill and maim even more of us infidels and the images would be fired around the world on Facebook and Twitter within moments, but it's not being shown in real time

There are so many soft targets, shopping centres, markets (Germany!!) a celebratory parade (France) and queues at a football match. But they're not live on telly, just the aftermath

 

[quiet_riot]

You are probably correct mate regarding the physical searches. I don't know what the searches were like in Paris that stopped the bomber entering the stadium. Obviously there was something suspicious. From memory didn't he turn up without a ticket!!
But what the nutters really aspire to is setting a bomb off on live television. Of course setting one off outside in the queues would kill and maim even more of us infidels and the images would be fired around the world on Facebook and Twitter within moments, but it's not being shown in real time

There are so many soft targets, shopping centres, markets (Germany!!) a celebratory parade (France) and queues at a football match. But they're not live on telly, just the aftermath

No-one would see it anyway, given that BT's audience is so low! ;)

 

[CTID1988]

I really doubt ISIS are checking football fixtures on Sky to see which ones will be televised live. Lets just have dearches at the games that will be on tele then if thats the case!
They will go for biggest casualties every time

 

[mancityvstoke]

terrorists will love this thread...........now they know exactly what to do......you ****s

 

[Bentheblue]

terrorists will love this thread...........now they know exactly what to do......you ****s

And how easy it would be. The current security is just a token gesture/joke, it achieves nothing and certainly will not deter a terrorist nor does it make us safer. If anything as others have correctly said it would appear to be make us soft targets.

 

[didsburyblu]

terrorists will love this thread...........now they know exactly what to do......you ****s

I hardly think they are reliant on tips from bluemooners to work out the best way to attack us though no doubt if the unthinkable happened city fans would be blamed as the root cause by starting this thread

 

[MCFCTrick]

One inside after a search .... and then one to hand 'the package' through the gates near the Gents toilets on the ground level .... Makes the searches totally useless.

 

[jrb]

I'm sure you all remember the Boston Marathon bombing. Where and who did the bombers strike? People watching the marathon. If some of you seriously think their be all and end all is to do their disgusting act/s on live TV, you really should think again. The London tube bombing. The Madrid train bombing. The list goes on. Non of these events were caught live on TV, but they made news all around the World straightaway.

Regardless if a suicide bomber get's into a stadium or not, his or her sole purpose is to blow up as many people as possible. With hundreds of people stood in queues four wide, and a couple of feet apart outside the stadium, it is sadly a perfect moment for a suicide bomber to strike.

 

[warpig]

if anyone wants to get a can in, put it in a glove and walk towards the steward with glove in hand, already in the air ready for frisking. My friend has done this at every game and got it through each time. That can could be a gun, bomb or whatever.

it's quite funny watching what other stuff people have smuggled in when they pull out of the pants (ohhhh matron) on the concourses before kick off.

It shows what a complete farce the whole situation is. Or as others have alluded to, the lengths the club will go to force fans to buy food and drink inside the stadium under the pretence of 'security'.