Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

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Len Rum said:
It needs IMO, to be either:

a) The UK fold and give the EU the TA they seek - even though it will be 'dressed up' as less than that as the UK need to keep face ( but what do the EU care), or

b) Hard Brexit - they will recover soon enough - we will be holed below the water line.
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So you remainers were right all along then? Yawn
 
The perfect fumble said:
There's no point in debating the issues with you, there's not the slightest possibility the EU will give us what we want because what we want is ungiveable.

The EU will go on much as before, they'll take a hit but nothing compared to the hit we're going to take, we'll be lucky to hold the UK together.
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How on earth will our Hit be bigger than the EU?
They stand to lose over 12% of their total Income. We will be 15 billion better off.
If we stopped trading altogether will EU countries we will be better off too. We are a net importer at current trade rates.
There is no mathematical way to justify your statement so please explain how we will take the bigger hit?
 
nico1 said:
Quite the opposite. It seems brexiters are hell bent on leaving no matter what the cost. As it was simply summed up on the day article 50 was triggered. "The UK want to leave the EU because people believe the UK puts in more money into the EU than it takes out but this is not factually true. The EU invests more into the UK than it gives to the EU. The UK wants to leave the EU because people believe the Polish Plumber takes out more from the UK than he puts in but this is not true. He pays more in taxes than he takes out in public services so the UK economically benefits from his being in the UK."
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Who said this? It's rubbish! No point in reading any further.

The UK are nett contributors-fact.
 
Len Rum said:
You missed what I did there mate.
Just repeated mcfc's vacuous statement but reversed EU and UK!
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Not particularly aiming my comment at you, but former remainers think the outcome will be bad and former leavers think it will be good, and that's basically what this thread has become. We've got two years of this, should be fun ;)
 
Gelsons Dad said:
How on earth will our Hit be bigger than the EU?
They stand to lose over 12% of their total Income. We will be 15 billion better off.
If we stopped trading altogether will EU countries we will be better off too. We are a net importer at current trade rates.
There is no mathematical way to justify your statement so please explain how we will take the bigger hit?
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In trade terms it's a % thing mate.
In absolute money terms you're right,but as a % of total trade ( export and imports) we take the biggest hit compared to the bloc and individual countries.
Haven't seen the GDP comparisons or income comparisons which would have to take into account net budget contributions and income and corporation tax losses.
Perhaps if you have these figures we could discuss?
 
Vic said:
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/themarketmogul.com/brexit-mean-developing-world/amp/

"the EU are currently negotiating new deals with a large proportion of the developing world. If Brexit were to occur, therefore, it is highly possible that the UK will not be involved in these new trade deals. Clearly, a non-EU incorporated UK would seek to write their deals with these developing nations, particularly those that take part in a large amount of trade with the UK, but this would undoubtedly take time. It is unlikely that the developing world would seek to impose trade barriers but the uncertainty created could prevent investment, and have indirect effects harming developing nations."

€960bn over six years in development aid from the EU. Do you really think the Daily Mail will be rooting for the UK to pay a similar share when we're out? - they already resent the 0.7% of GDP on aid. Will you be rooting for it? (Not of course that it was a promise to spend our EU contributions on the NHS, but I really don't think many who voted leave will campaign for what we "save" to go on overseas aid. There was certainly no bus.)
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Interesting. The EU is going to spend it's entire 6 year budget on foreign aid. I can't believe that myself but it's the EU so who knows.
 
nico1 said:
Quite the opposite. It seems brexiters are hell bent on leaving no matter what the cost. As it was simply summed up on the day article 50 was triggered. "The UK want to leave the EU because people believe the UK puts in more money into the EU than it takes out but this is not factually true. The EU invests more into the UK than it gives to the EU. The UK wants to leave the EU because people believe the Polish Plumber takes out more from the UK than he puts in but this is not true. He pays more in taxes than he takes out in public services so the UK economically benefits from his being in the UK."
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By whom? Diane Abbott's hamster?
 
nico1 said:
Who said it? An Oxford Professor in Economics. No need for names and fact references in this thread. Clearly none of you are interested in such things. The Queen for Pope! *PARP*
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Should we cut and paste it into google and see which 'Oxford Professor in Economics' said it? Or would we be wasting our time?
 
sir baconface said:
They are being positive and highlighting our stronger bargaining points to counteract the negativity. I don't think they or anyone else think the EU will roll over.
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'Counteracting the negativity'.
Can't let you get away with that one mate.
Anyone who believes that Theresa the remainer and her Govt are incompetent or deliberately using Brexit to just pacify her own right wing and/or the media or to turn our economy into Britapor, or indeed anyone who is against us leaving the EU and/or wants a second EU in/out referendum or on the terms of departure has a perfect right to act and campaign for those things as long as they do it legally and democratically.
And they are not acting unpatriotically. What is wrong with trying to stop a government ruining your country, if that's what you believe they are doing?
Do you think Farage would have stopped campaigning if remain had won by 52 to 48? No he wouldn't and he would have been perfectly within his rights to do so and certainly could not have been accused of acting in an unpatriotic way.
The majority of Germans supported Hitler in the thirties because they thought he was acting only to restore German pride and borders after WW1.Others saw him as a warmonger and a racist.Some of them protested and were deported or lost their lives - were they unpatriotic?
What right has May got to ask the British people to now unite behind the government in the negotiations?
She has done nothing to unite the country and many don't trust her motives.
So let the negotiations proceed and let citizens of the U.K. act as each sees fit acting democratically and legally to secure an outcome which in their view is in the best interests of the country.
 
nico1 said:
Who said it? An Oxford Professor in Economics. No need for names and fact references in this thread. Clearly none of you are interested in such things. The Queen for Pope! *PARP*
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Yer well it must be right if it's an oxford professor.

Google uk contribution to eu budget go on full facts or anything else on the thread and find the facts instead of your made up bull shit.
 
Len Rum said:
'Counteracting the negativity'.
Can't let you get away with that one mate.
Anyone who believes that Theresa the remainer and her Govt are incompetent or deliberately using Brexit to just pacify her own right wing and/or the media or to turn our economy into Britapor, or indeed anyone who is against us leaving the EU and/or wants a second EU in/out referendum or on the terms of departure has a perfect right to act and campaign for those things as long as they do it legally and democratically.
And they are not acting unpatriotically. What is wrong with trying to stop a government ruining your country, if that's what you believe they are doing?
Do you think Farage would have stopped campaigning if remain had won by 52 to 48? No he wouldn't and he would have been perfectly within his rights to do so and certainly could not have been accused of acting in an unpatriotic way.
The majority of Germans supported Hitler in the thirties because they thought he was acting only to restore German pride and borders after WW1.Others saw him as a warmonger and a racist.Some of them protested and were deported or lost their lives - were they unpatriotic?
What right has May got to ask the British people to now unite behind the government in the negotiations?
She has done nothing to unite the country and many don't trust her motives.
So let the negotiations proceed and let citizens of the U.K. act as each sees fit acting democratically and legally to secure an outcome which in their view is in the best interests of the country.
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Hitler eh. Hitler's dream was an authoritarian pan-European superstate ruled by Berlin. So none of us want that. Oh wait...
 
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