Ireland won't leave the EU because while the UK pay 4bn a year towards it, Ireland gets 1bn a year sent to it.
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Ireland won't leave the EU because while the UK pay 4bn a year towards it, Ireland gets 1bn a year sent to it.
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^^^this.There's absolutely zero chance of that buddy. Take it from someone who grew up in one of the biggest shitholes in this country where nobody had a job or a chance, and runs a very successful business in Dublin's most affluent area these days. Ireland's seen the worst of it, and knows that we're stronger for being in the EU. We're also not easily lead by shite like the dailymail and welcomed foreign nations into our country as long as they wanted to work and contribute.
Trust me, Ireland will be the last to leave the EU, because we aren't idiots.
Scotland will definitely leave. The population up there feel betrayed. They voted for inclusion, and had it thrown back in their face with Brexit. It may take a decade, but it will be the main story for the time it takes to happen.
It took them 45 years to get a referendum the first time round. Westminster has literally no reason at all to grant them another. The Scots can't secede on their own, the Tories heavily benefit from a SNP led Scotland and they can point to the last "once in a generation" vote.
They're screwed. It's in the interest of everybody but the Scots that they don't get a referendum, and as they need Westminster permission for one, they'll never get it. There's no reason to give it to them.
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Not anymore Damo.Ireland won't leave the EU because while the UK pay 4bn a year towards it, Ireland gets 1bn a year sent to it.
http://m.independent.ie/business/ir...an-it-gets-to-eu-for-first-time-34815450.html
Not that it's going to change anyone's opinion on whether or not we're better off in the EU, that comes down to a lot more factors than whether we've a positive or negative budget contribution.
Not anymore Damo.
http://m.independent.ie/business/ir...an-it-gets-to-eu-for-first-time-34815450.html
Not that it's going to change anyone's opinion on whether or not we're better off in the EU, that comes down to a lot more factors than whether we've a positive or negative budget contribution.
Huh, it looks like the data I was looking at was actually from 2007!
Mea culpa.
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LOL Thats me told :-)There's absolutely zero chance of that buddy. Take it from someone who grew up in one of the biggest shitholes in this country where nobody had a job or a chance, and runs a very successful business in Dublin's most affluent area these days. Ireland's seen the worst of it, and knows that we're stronger for being in the EU. We're also not easily lead by shite like the dailymail and welcomed foreign nations into our country as long as they wanted to work and contribute.
Trust me, Ireland will be the last to leave the EU, because we aren't idiots.
We'll see.
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Tbf we were on a negative contribution every year from 1973-2015 so it's an understandable assumption to make, don't expect that to be the case in future though and it doesn't bother me in the slightest when you see what the EU have done with the infrastructure in this country even in my lifetime, it's been fantastic for Ireland overall. Fair enough as an organisation it's far from perfect and I could suggest some reforms myself but I wouldn't want us to leave and I don't know anyone bar a few Sinn Feiners that do.Huh, it looks like the data I was looking at was actually from 2007!
Mea culpa.
It took them 45 years to get a referendum the first time round. Westminster has literally no reason at all to grant them another. The Scots can't secede on their own, the Tories heavily benefit from a SNP led Scotland and they can point to the last "once in a generation" vote.
They're screwed. It's in the interest of everybody but the Scots that they don't get a referendum, and as they need Westminster permission for one, they'll never get it. There's no reason to give it to them.
Its like Ireland 1922 all over. If The Scottish people want independence they will get it.
I tend to think that this will work out in the end that the EU will undergo significant reform to its structure, taking on the points that made Brexit happen and we'll eventually end up back in a generation or two.
This is the thing - the EU cannot be reformed without dramatic action. No elected body has the power to introduce legislation to it - only to vote. The Council can potentially ask the Commission to do away with themselves but it has to be unanimous and they can say no.
The only way the EU would reform is if they felt they were on the verge of death. British special pleading for the past 25 years has achieved little reform, maybe British leaving with the French, Spanish and Italians all looking on intriguingly will provoke it.
I wonder how many times in quiet momenta Tusk has thought......
If only I could have been less arrogrant and thrown Cameron a bone?
I bet Merkel has asked
Tbf we were on a negative contribution every year from 1973-2015 so it's an understandable assumption to make, don't expect that to be the case in future though and it doesn't bother me in the slightest when you see what the EU have done with the infrastructure in this country even in my lifetime, it's been fantastic for Ireland overall. Fair enough as an organisation it's far from perfect and I could suggest some reforms myself but I wouldn't want us to leave and I don't know anyone bar a few Sinn Feiners that do.
Well Ireland is in a very different position to the UK in terms of both type and scale of their economy. One of the big issues among the Leave MPs was that we were unable to make trade deals with Brazil, the US, India and China which would have heavily benefited the UK economy because the EU doesn't allow member states that right. And of course when they were taking on these larger trade deals, there were so many competing problems that they either took decades and were a hodge-podge or they collapsed altogether. The failure of the EU to ratify the Indian trade deal that would drop tariffs on Scotch for example really stuck in a lot of people's craw. Scotch is a huge amount of our food/drink exports and the Indian market is growing at a pace of around 40%ish a year. Currently there's a 150% tariff on those goods and it seemed like the Indians were willing to move on that until the EU started asking for really stupid concessions in the pharmaceutical industry to help the French and Germans, which is why it fell apart.
In a couple of years time, the UK will theoretically now have the upper hand on Ireland in whiskey exports. That's just one such example of hundreds.
Leaving the EU might not have been correct for every nation because every nation is different. The Irish software industry for example is unmatched in Europe and will need EU access.
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