Football Tourists

[ancoats]

I think you need to clarify that statement. It's one thing welcoming tourists/neutrals to our home games (it's a fact of life at any of the big clubs across Europe that they will attract them, and even some of the much smaller clubs get them turning up although not in the same numbers), but I hope you're not advocating people with little to no loyalty points jumping the queue and depriving blues with thousands of loyalty points tickets for sold out away games.

is not the fault of the club is it really the tickets have been bought by so called manchester city fans and sold on to touts its supply and demand

i don't like the loyalty points setup at the club its all wrong and why should it give the right to buy tickets first and then sell them on because its happening at out club and if the club had the balls to stop it they could. yes there is alot of very good fans who have been going to years and years and yes they are the ones who the club should be giving them first chance on tickets for the big games home and away

but sadly its happening all to much at manchester city the supply and demand market is open believe me the touts have bought up a lot of seasons tickets over the past 10 years and all have the loyalty points built up on them so are they the real fans aswell seasons tickets sold to the touts are sold to the glory hunters from all over the world they even have packaged deals with hotels stays and match tickets the value of them packaged deals run into the thousands and the demand is growing

if the people at the football clubs want to stop it they could but everybody in the premier league are at it the bigger picture that needs to be sorted. but with tv rights going around the world people with money will want to come and watch it live. even the clubs with the corporate seats are doing it and offer them to non manchester city fans or glory hunters

for me the main supporters groups with the club should control the away tickets and each have a amount of tickets to sell with the person I.D on the ticket and without that I.D you can not get in or get a ticket both needed and easy to check outside the turnstiles anybody found with a ticket without I.D gets turned away simple

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

is not the fault of the club is it really the tickets have been bought by so called manchester city fans and sold on to touts its supply and demand

But it is the fault of the club if they're handing over hundreds of tickets to outlets outside their control, such as travel agents and re-sellers, instead of fans who have the points to buy them.

Maybe they get £50 a ticket for 200 tickets, which is £10k. Is it really worth pissing off loyal fans who've supported us for years for £10k?

It just shows the contempt the club management hold us in.

 

[fathellensbellend]

it's like some bizarre football blind date experiment, hi family from america on your first ever visit to a football match, meet Manchester City fan who has been on the lash all day long, and has zero tolerance for you, and will more than likely tell you to "f**k off the second he claps eyes on you.

Its an absolute recipe for trouble, caused by the club who are royally shafting the rank and file, all for the sake of a few quid.

Yet again for a big match our away support is completely diluted, and ruins the experience, to be honest it's making us look like a laughing stock, and i dont think the club give a shite, and what is happening at watford confirms it.

 

[M18CTID]

is not the fault of the club is it really the tickets have been bought by so called manchester city fans and sold on to touts its supply and demand

i don't like the loyalty points setup at the club its all wrong and why should it give the right to buy tickets first and then sell them on because its happening at out club and if the club had the balls to stop it they could. yes there is alot of very good fans who have been going to years and years and yes they are the ones who the club should be giving them first chance on tickets for the big games home and away

but sadly its happening all to much at manchester city the supply and demand market is open believe me the touts have bought up a lot of seasons tickets over the past 10 years and all have the loyalty points built up on them so are they the real fans aswell seasons tickets sold to the touts are sold to the glory hunters from all over the world they even have packaged deals with hotels stays and match tickets the value of them packaged deals run into the thousands and the demand is growing

if the people at the football clubs want to stop it they could but everybody in the premier league are at it its the bigger picture that needs to be sorted
but with tv rights going around the world people with money will want to come and watch it live. even the clubs with the corporate seats are doing it and offer them to non manchester city fans or glory hunters

for me the main supporters groups with the club should control the away tickets and each have a amount of tickets to sell with the person I.D on the ticket and without that I.D you can not get in or get a ticket both needed and easy to check outside the turnstiles anybody found with a ticket with I.D gets turned away simple

You're spectacularly missing the point, and that is it's clear that for certain games City themselves are creaming off hundreds of the allocation and selling them to people who don't even have to be season ticket holders as long as they can come up with the cash, and therefore it can be argued that when it comes to touting or points whoring or whatever you want to call it, City are the biggest culprits of the fucking lot. If you don't actually believe this is happening then you must've been born yesterday because the club are blatantly advertising the fact that this goes on via the City in the City events they put on for certain London games, and are also doing for Watford away where demand will already be through the roof.

 

[Danny Hoekman]

But it is the fault of the club if they're handing over hundreds of tickets to outlets outside their control, such as travel agents and re-sellers, instead of fans who have the points to buy them.

Maybe they get £50 a ticket for 200 tickets, which is £10k. Is it really worth pissing off loyal fans who've supported us for years for £10k?

It just shows the contempt the club management hold us in.

...and this goes back to the whole point that I just don't understand.

Taking last night's game as an example, the ticket office are just the distributors of the away allocation, which cost £30 each end of. They are not their tickets to pass on to third party re-sellers. Chelsea would not agree for the ticket office to pass these tickets on at an inflated price and profiteering at their expense. We also know how modern day football clubs love their control and their penchant for tracing back the seat number to the purchaser should anything untoward occur. So it again begs the question - what is really going on here?

 

[Eccles Blue]

When I was at a European away game last season I was given directions to the ground by a Belgian who was there with his wife and two children plus a group of other Belgian fans. We got talking as we walked and he was telling me that they had a Belgian Supporters Club with quite a few members and that they tried to get over to as many home matches as they could and away matches close to London and Manchester because they could get into those airports quickly and easily (I did dispute the quickly and easily!!) Obviously not all of the supporters group could make every match but his wife laughingly told me that City was their hobby and until it got too expensive with the 2 children they would come as often as they could. So, people seeing/speaking to them at an away match might think that they are tourists but they are genuine fans.

It's hard to know what the solution is but we can't 'condemn' everyone without a Manchester accent. Last season when my family came over from Canada and I was able to get tickets for them for two matches, if my Grand-daughters had spoken to you at the away match you might have thought 'tourists' but they have been "brain washed" to be City supporters from birth (lol) and they love City. They both agreed though that they enjoyed the away match better than the home (& we played Chelsea that day and one of them was a mascot) because of the atmosphere.

I understand your frustrations but not ever person without a Manc accent is a tourist. :-) Thank you for reading my little 'rant' and I hope I haven't offended anyone.

 

[Danny Hoekman]

When I was at a European away game last season I was given directions to the ground by a Belgian who was there with his wife and two children plus a group of other Belgian fans. We got talking as we walked and he was telling me that they had a Belgian Supporters Club with quite a few members and that they tried to get over to as many home matches as they could and away matches close to London and Manchester because they could get into those airports quickly and easily (I did dispute the quickly and easily!!) Obviously not all of the supporters group could make every match but his wife laughingly told me that City was their hobby and until it got too expensive with the 2 children they would come as often as they could. So, people seeing/speaking to them at an away match might think that they are tourists but they are genuine fans.

It's hard to know what the solution is but we can't 'condemn' everyone without a Manchester accent. Last season when my family came over from Canada and I was able to get tickets for them for two matches, if my Grand-daughters had spoken to you at the away match you might have thought 'tourists' but they have been "brain washed" to be City supporters from birth (lol) and they love City. They both agreed though that they enjoyed the away match better than the home (& we played Chelsea that day and one of them was a mascot) because of the atmosphere.

I understand your frustrations but not ever person without a Manc accent is a tourist. :-) Thank you for reading my little 'rant' and I hope I haven't offended anyone.

Nobody is saying they are!!!1

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

When I was at a European away game last season I was given directions to the ground by a Belgian who was there with his wife and two children plus a group of other Belgian fans. We got talking as we walked and he was telling me that they had a Belgian Supporters Club with quite a few members and that they tried to get over to as many home matches as they could and away matches close to London and Manchester because they could get into those airports quickly and easily (I did dispute the quickly and easily!!) Obviously not all of the supporters group could make every match but his wife laughingly told me that City was their hobby and until it got too expensive with the 2 children they would come as often as they could. So, people seeing/speaking to them at an away match might think that they are tourists but they are genuine fans.

It's hard to know what the solution is but we can't 'condemn' everyone without a Manchester accent. Last season when my family came over from Canada and I was able to get tickets for them for two matches, if my Grand-daughters had spoken to you at the away match you might have thought 'tourists' but they have been "brain washed" to be City supporters from birth (lol) and they love City. They both agreed though that they enjoyed the away match better than the home (& we played Chelsea that day and one of them was a mascot) because of the atmosphere.

I understand your frustrations but not ever person without a Manc accent is a tourist. :-) Thank you for reading my little 'rant' and I hope I haven't offended anyone.

i dont think anyone has to be honest and i dont know what your reading.its not to do with not having a manc accent. its about people/tourists who aren't city fans getting tickets in the away end, when the games selling out on such high points. meaning people with points aren't getting tickets, which isn't fair.

 

[Eccles Blue]

i dont think anyone has to be honest and i dont know what your reading.its not to do with not having a manc accent. its about people/tourists who aren't city fans getting tickets in the away end, when the games selling out on such high points. meaning people with points aren't getting tickets, which isn't fair.

No, I'm sorry Cheadle_hulmeBlue & @Danny Hoekman I was trying to say that the Belgian people I met were building up points. Sorry I wasn't trying to trivialise anything just trying to say that not everyone has no points. Sorry.

 

[jimmygrimblesboots]

Thats what I did. Binned it 3 years ago. I wish every single ST holder would do the same. They might think twice about this crap then but knowing them they wouldn't and would just put everyone's ST price up £50.

If you think it's bad now, wait until Wembley. They will have creamed off loads of a 32000 allocation. I actually feel sorry for some Random "Arsenal" fan from Belarus who hasn't got a clue, getting the shit kicked out of him for celebrating if they score. Just like the 50 or so Sunderland fans in our end all together in 14 and Liverpool last year.

It stinks.

there are loads of goons semi-final tickets available on various ticket tout sites prices vary from £140 - £300 each , due to health reasons i get to around 10-12 home league games a season , so i do not have anywhere near enough points to get a ticket through the club. The fact ive supported the club for over 50 years and have attended well over a thousand games (and lost all my hair) i resort to watching in the local pub , but if we do get to the cup final i will just pay the going rate the twatty ticket touts want , and yes i know if i bought a season ticket i would have a better chance of getting a ticket but we have enough empty blue seats at home games and i don't want to add to the embarrassment.

 

[ancoats]

But it is the fault of the club if they're handing over hundreds of tickets to outlets outside their control, such as travel agents and re-sellers, instead of fans who have the points to buy them.

Maybe they get £50 a ticket for 200 tickets, which is £10k. Is it really worth pissing off loyal fans who've supported us for years for £10k?

It just shows the contempt the club management hold us in.

i did say its a bigger picture than alot of people don't see and maybe the club are not really the blame and if like you say 200 tickets are being sold to glory hunters outside of the scheme that the club run then maybe its a inside job and somebody is creaming of the top it would be so easy to hide and even the the club free tickets that are hand out could be also ending up in the wrong hands it does make you wonder

i was a turnstile steward at main road and knew of a scam running back then where tickets was handed out to allsorts of people outside the club and it was also coming from the top they knew all about and money was change hands now did the board know all about it well too bloody right they did and ever time the crowd figures was printed a would laugh my balls off so the board knew and like i say i come from the top people running the turnstiles

am not say that is the case here but 200 tickets is small fry if somebody at the club is creaming of the top

 

[ballinio]

it's like some bizarre football blind date experiment, hi family from america on your first ever visit to a football match, meet Manchester City fan who has been on the lash all day long, and has zero tolerance for you, and will more than likely tell you to "f**k off the second he claps eyes on you.

Its an absolute recipe for trouble, caused by the club who are royally shafting the rank and file, all for the sake of a few quid.

Yet again for a big match our away support is completely diluted, and ruins the experience, to be honest it's making us look like a laughing stock, and i dont think the club give a shite, and what is happening at watford confirms it.

Fucking disgracefull what City are doing , they do it for Champions league games at home . Creaming off tickets for agencies when people with high points can't get a ticket is something I though only Utd would dream up, this club is changing for the worst if you ask me.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

Is this an issue for the raggy, dipper traveling fan base when playing in London?

If it's an 'above board' operation than I'd imagine the above two clubs would be into the same thing, especially if money is involved.

 

[give it to gordon]

I am a manc 3rd generation and my kids 4th !!!. We all have Kent accents I hope you local mancs don't think we are tourists. ......

On a day out on Wednesdays at Portsmouth I saw a French lad wearing a City scare ....I had my City hat on and said 'hi' he just ignored me thats the first time another City fan has never said 'hi' back lol. My ex use to go mad as I would normally stop for a chat with a fellow City fan for ages lol.

 

[peoffrey]

I made a formal complaint to City regarding the situation against Celtic at home and they confirmed away fans ejected from our section had been bought tickets by Blues. They also advised that ticket resale was illegal.

If points tarts are selling to third parties then should they not be subject to sanctions?

 

[Tim of the Oak]

As many posters have said, the main objection is tickets going to people who aren't City fans.
There are probably not a lot of tickets going to these people but it's hard to tell because I wouldn't know who owns a box at the Etihad and is entitled to extra away tickets. However combine the non City fans with the barely City fans / City in the City bunch and top that off with the, "we only sing when we are 2 goals up Blues" and the team aren't getting much vocal support.

That said, it is clear that our away games that we are selling out at an artificially high points level and some genuine fans who would like to go to more games are missing out. That was probably more the case for Arsenal than Chelsea because I'm not sure we've got more than 3,000 Blues who can get home at 3am and be up for work the next morning.

 

[ancoats]

I made a formal complaint to City regarding the situation against Celtic at home and they confirmed away fans ejected from our section had been bought tickets by Blues. They also advised that ticket resale was illegal.

If points tarts are selling to third parties then should they not be subject to sanctions?

this is what i was saying there is a big amount of so called manchester city fans that resell tickets to touts and its easy to find a ticket if you have the money they are asking for a ticket we are talking 100% mark up on smaller games and god knows what people will pay for a BIG game and cup finals or semi finals

 

[jimmygrimblesboots]

Fucking disgracefull what City are doing , they do it for Champions league games at home . Creaming off tickets for agencies when people with high points can't get a ticket is something I though only Utd would dream up, this club is changing for the worst if you ask me.

agree , quite sure we all know football is now a business and we are merely viewed as customers

 

[ballinio]

this is what i was saying there is a big amount of so called manchester city fans that resell tickets to touts and its easy to find a ticket if you have the money they are asking for a ticket we are talking 100% mark up on smaller games and god knows what people will pay for a BIG game and cup finals or semi finals

They're fucking lieing pal, explain hoe whole rows of away fans or whole blocks of tourists get tickets for high profile games where the tickets are in high demand ? Doesn't sound like mass sales by individual city fans to me, the odd one maybe but City are selling to agencies long before we get near em. That's another way City are showing contempt for long standing fans, carry on City & you can shove the club up your fucking arse.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

agree , quite sure we all know football is now a business and we are merely viewed as customers

We're not customers. No business worth its salt would treat loyal customers like that.