Claudio Bravo - 2016/2017 performances (continued)

[Tugay One Cup]

No city manager should be immune to scrutiny imo.

I've seen that sentence countless times since the season started. Not one of you has been able to point to any specific user who thinks Guardiola is infallible. It's hardly surprising given that it's generally just a cheap trick to try and add weight to their own criticisms.

I like Pep but I have to say this place has become a cult of Pep forum as much as a City forum, can't be doing with it.

Bollocks has it. Some agree with him more than others and some blame him more than others. This thread is a perfect example of that and the shite I can't be doing with is the same few users consistently trolling the rest with sarcastic, petty insults and strawman arguments and then acting like they're being picked on by those who take the bait.

 

[Southern]

I'm sure he will. Absolutely no doubt at all.

That's a two fingers up to Cabellero. One bad game and he is pushed away again.

 

[Scar Tissue]

Think Willy's contract is up at the end of this season? If Bravo does play, maybe, with the League gone, Pep is wanting to see if there is any chance of Bravo regaining some confidence considering the contract he has with Club? I don't know.

Feel for Bravo. It can't be any coincidence that he's won a lot of trophies in his career. Hope he can turn things around if he does get the chance.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

That's a two fingers up to Cabellero. One bad game and he is pushed away again.

Indeed, I thought he would probably sign a year extension but I assume he will go now. He isn't a great keeper by any means so it won't be that big a blow but personally I don't think he deserved to be dropped. Bravo is more Pep's kind of keeper though so it was inevitable that he would be looking for the opportunity to get him back in. I totally get that for Pep, defenders and keepers being able to pass the ball well is vitally important. My quibble is that balance between being able to do the other side of the job (what I would call the more important side of their job but what do I know, I'm an old dinosaur who still thinks keepers should be able to make the odd save every now and then) and the ability on the ball. Personally I think we will struggle to win the league again for as long as being able to do the defensive side of the game or being able to keep the ball out of the net is viewed as being of secondary importance compared to being able to pass the ball. Plenty will say that I'm talking bollocks and that Pep doesn't undervalue that side of things but if that was the case then I don't believe Bravo would be back in the side and then there was the Swansea home match where Pep said Kompany was fit and able to play and had been for 6 weeks but that he picked Kolarov (I think) instead at centre back because of his superior ability to bring the ball out of defence. If you're picking Kolarov at centre back ahead of Kompany for purely footballing reasons then IMO you are definitely undervaluing the defensive side of things. It isn't my intention to particularly have a go at Kolarov, by his own standards he's had an ok season but in terms of defending, he's not in the same league as Kompany.

 

[Bill]

It's frightening just how thick people can be on here. Sounds like he is to fans, what Tony Adams is to managers. He'd be loving it if Big Sam was in charge.

Won't get a peep out of him this time next season mind.

now why would you abuse a fellow blue just because his opinion differs from yours. I might be academically challenged but I am by no means thick.

you will be hearing from me next season as I will be posting as I see it, if the team and the manager does well i'll say so, of course if they don't I will be saying that too.

honesty is a rare commodity these days.

 

[Blue Til Death]

Bravo has been terrible this season, nobody can deny that, that's not Bravo bashing, its just a loyal, concerned fan stating an undeniable fact.
We need a world class keeper if we are going to realise our full potential.

 

[TheRisingoftheNorth]

I think it's a bit out of order to call people thick because they have a very different view of what they see happening at City at the moment. I doubt there will be many people much happier than Bill if we are absolutely brilliant next season but I'm guessing that's the whole point, he's presumably not convinced that is going to be the case. I have some similar concerns, the way we defend really worries me and I'm not totally convinced Pep will sort it out either. He might, he might not, time will tell but I don't think it makes me some kind of idiot for thinking that just as I don't think you're an idiot for just assuming we will be incredible.

Hear, hear.

 

[mosssideblue]

I think it's a bit out of order to call people thick because they have a very different view of what they see happening at City at the moment. I doubt there will be many people much happier than Bill if we are absolutely brilliant next season but I'm guessing that's the whole point, he's presumably not convinced that is going to be the case. I have some similar concerns, the way we defend really worries me and I'm not totally convinced Pep will sort it out either. He might, he might not, time will tell but I don't think it makes me some kind of idiot for thinking that just as I don't think you're an idiot for just assuming we will be incredible.

It doesn't help the way some posters articulate their perspective . Some seem incapable of criticising without wumming / trolling, so no wonder they get called out

 

[Bill]

It doesn't help the way some posters articulate their perspective . Some seem incapable of criticising without wumming / trolling, so no wonder they get called out

According you there is nothing to crititze.

Lol.

 

[mosssideblue]

According you there is nothing to crititze.

Lol.

Funny how you reacted to my post when I didn,t cite you. Wonder why that was? Well fitting cap me thinks

 

[geoff clipp]

That's a two fingers up to Cabellero. One bad game and he is pushed away again.

I don't see it like that. I think it might be a pretty shrewd move by pep. By saying he'll rotate the keepers on a game by game basis rather than having a set cup and league keeper he's essentially opened up the door to be able to play Caballero in the cup without all of the drama that often comes when you want to put your preferred keeper in at the latter stages of a competition. Caballero gets to play without it looking like a massive snub to Bravo.

 

[Marvin]

Bravo has been terrible this season, nobody can deny that, that's not Bravo bashing, its just a loyal, concerned fan stating an undeniable fact.
We need a world class keeper if we are going to realise our full potential.

Maybe he is a world class player who is struggling with confidence/form? Do you remember just how poor De gea was in his first season. Far worse than Bravo has been.

The media love to criticise Bravo, and sadly a lot of blues seem ready to join in and criticise him because it's an easy target. He gets blamed for every goal City concede even when it's not his fault like the goal against Hull. I think City took him out of the firing line when it became obvious that the media were going to really target him. he is a stick with which to beat Guardiola because of course he let Joe go.

 

[Marvin]

I don't see it like that. I think it might be a pretty shrewd move by pep. By saying he'll rotate the keepers on a game by game basis rather than having a set cup and league keeper he's essentially opened up the door to be able to play Caballero in the cup without all of the drama that often comes when you want to put your preferred keeper in at the latter stages of a competition. Caballero gets to play without it looking like a massive snub to Bravo.

That was a reaction to a question he didn't know was coming (but perhaps could have anticipated.) I think it was more of an honest answer. He doesn't know who is his best keeper. bravo he obviously rates, and would ideally like to rehabilitate. He has been one of the best keepers in the world, but can he handle the transition and a situation where everyone in the stadium is just waiting for him to make a mistake? He hasn't so far

 

[schfc6]

Bravo has been terrible this season, nobody can deny that, that's not Bravo bashing, its just a loyal, concerned fan stating an undeniable fact.
We need a world class keeper if we are going to realise our full potential.

Don't think anyone is saying he's had a good season.
Fans like myself can see why he's here and what he'll bring if he regains his form.
Sadly he hasn't shown his qualities but he was widely considered one of the best in the World when we signed him.
That's why some fans see no benefit in constantly slating him.

I agree we need a World class keeper, we have someone perfect for our style and who was considered amongst the very best less than 12 months ago.

That's the problem with signings, they're a gamble!

 

[SWP's back]

Another series of shit comments.

Sad isn't it especially when he doesn't believe any of it.

 

[SWP's back]

I think he'll play this weekend against Southampton.

I hope so. He'll find some form eventually.

 

[Scaring Europe to Death]

I keep reading that Bravo has cost us numerous points this season, yet strangely, nobody ever names the specific matches.

By common consent, his biggest mistake was in a game that we actually won at the swamp, so are we suggesting that Hart would have saved Stones suicidal back pass against Southampton, or Leicester’s first goal when everybody would have expected Aguero to score from a similar situation?

Don’t forget this is the same Hart who allowed Norwich and Swansea to score from their only shot at goal at the ETIHAD last season, and apart from BMG away, had a pretty ordinary year for both club and country.


How about Everton’s first goal at Goodison when Clichy lost possession, and Lukaku was unmarked?

Boro’s last minute bullet header?


Certainly Willian’s goal at the ETIHAD, but equally, I could blame Aguero, De Bruyne, and a corrupt referee for City losing that day.

 

[caseball]

I keep reading that he's a world class keeper but I don't really think there's much to support that assertion. He may be good or very good but his career doesn't equal world class.
He's played in Chile. What do any of us know about the game there? His international record points to his having played a lot and had some success but international football is very weak indicator. They play a lot of dead rubbers and friendlies and name me any country's second best goalie. They almost never play. Outside Chile he's played mostly for Real Sociedad. Almost 230 games. He played a big chunk of those in the Spanish Second Division. If he was world class, why did nobody snap him up? He played 70 games for Barcelona nearly all in La Liga. He's already played more Champions League games for City than for Barcelona. They didn't play him. So he played 2 seasons behind a strong Barcelona team. He's at City because he can pass the ball well. Not because he's a world class keeper. Like de Michelis was brought in because he was used to playing a high line and winning the ball early unlike our other CBs of the time. He was a model for the others to follow. Bravo's the same. Of course Guardiola is going to say he's a great keeper. What else can he say? He's not all that but he can pass it? Joe Hart has played more games and is 5 years younger. Not saying Joe's better or anything just the fact. Buffon at 5 years older has played almost twice as many games. I think some are using the term world class a bit loosely in this case.

 

[mosssideblue]

I keep reading that he's a world class keeper but I don't really think there's much to support that assertion. He may be good or very good but his career doesn't equal world class.
He's played in Chile. What do any of us know about the game there? His international record points to his having played a lot and had some success but international football is very weak indicator. They play a lot of dead rubbers and friendlies and name me any country's second best goalie. They almost never play. Outside Chile he's played mostly for Real Sociedad. Almost 230 games. He played a big chunk of those in the Spanish Second Division. If he was world class, why did nobody snap him up? He played 70 games for Barcelona nearly all in La Liga. He's already played more Champions League games for City than for Barcelona. They didn't play him. So he played 2 seasons behind a strong Barcelona team. He's at City because he can pass the ball well. Not because he's a world class keeper. Like de Michelis was brought in because he was used to playing a high line and winning the ball early unlike our other CBs of the time. He was a model for the others to follow. Bravo's the same. Of course Guardiola is going to say he's a great keeper. What else can he say? He's not all that but he can pass it? Joe Hart has played more games and is 5 years younger. Not saying Joe's better or anything just the fact. Buffon at 5 years older has played almost twice as many games. I think some are using the term world class a bit loosely in this case.

Like those in the game who voted him as being in the top 5 in the world?

 

[Scaring Europe to Death]

Contrary to misguided opinion, club football and International football aren't mutually exclusive.

Hart's indifferent Euro's was a consequence of some sloppy performances for City last season and Stones has struggled, (and occasionally been ridiculed) because England adopt a different defensive style.
Sterling was vilified last summer, and his growing maturity has arguably been Guardiola's biggest success.

With Bravo, I suspect that it's been the other way round. A confident goalkeeper, who's weaknesses have suddenly been publicly exposed, thanks mainly to mistakes further up the pitch.
For the perfect example, look no further than Everton's 1st goal at Goodison, when Clichy lost possession, and the scousers virtually walked the ball into the goal (they'd had a disallowed goal from an identical situation, five minutes earlier).

Chile and Barcelona don't concede those type of goals, so let's judge our goalkeeper (whoever he is next season) when we've got a couple of full backs who can actually pass the ball, and don't lose possession in stupid positions.