General Election June 8th

[Xiphos]

Yes may will win because of people like you. Shame how britain has evolved to this but reap what you sow tory boy.

Tory boy?
If you read my post carefully you will observe that i have put "they" if i was a Tory boy i would write "we"
Seems as though you cannot grasp the subtleties of the English language, socialist loser

 

[Xiphos]

Yeah but he's fashioned an exciting young side to be fair to him. Alli has been excellent.

Hope they get battered tonight though :)

 

[Xiphos]

L

wow - this fella can pull a crowd can't he?

Looks a better house and garden than what the piss soaked scruffy old tramp lives in

 

[blue cigar]

L

Looks a better house and garden than what the piss soaked scruffy old tramp lives in

Tramp?? Listen to yourself, he will have more money, definately more morals, clearly more intelligence (not difficult) and is a great socialist. Mind your manners sunshine. He is what the labour movement needs, snatch a win and get denis skinner in the cabinet.

 

[SWP's back]

Mind your manners sunshine.

Bit of irony there but I do appreciate you wishing to take the thread back on to debate and not insults.

 

[Xiphos]

Tramp?? Listen to yourself, he will have more money, definately more morals, clearly more intelligence (not difficult) and is a great socialist. Mind your manners sunshine. He is what the labour movement needs, snatch a win and get denis skinner in the cabinet.

Tramp?? Listen to yourself, he will have more money, definately more morals, clearly more intelligence (not difficult) and is a great socialist. Mind your manners sunshine. He is what the labour movement needs, snatch a win and get denis skinner in the cabinet.

LOL Fool

 

[urban genie]

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Looks a better house and garden than what the piss soaked scruffy old tramp lives in

Don't like to criticize on here as it's just a forum after all and we are all blues, but rather than just keep calling him a piss soaked tramp and labour suporters swivel eyed loons, and just throwing round insults at any poster you dissagree with why not actually debate the subject in an adult way like @SWP's and @mcfc1632 to name a few do

we have 7 weeks left of this and lets at least keep it civilized until the last week.

and yes I called May a coward and a hag in the first 3 pages but that was uncalled for in a serious debate and have refrained from since.

 

[blue cigar]

Bit of irony there but I do appreciate you wishing to take the thread back on to debate and not insults.

Insults?? Lost me there. Are facts insults?
Nice to know you care so much and watch my posts. I take it back, your a really nice guy and not a tosser....
Vote labour.

 

[Tuearts right boot]

wow - this fella can pull a crowd can't he?

That's just the people who live there.

 

[SWP's back]

Insults?? Lost me there. Are facts insults?
Nice to know you care so much and watch my posts. I take it back, your a really nice guy and not a tosser....
Vote labour.

Super

 

[SWP's back]

That's just the people who live there.

One way to avoid the bedroom tax.

 

[Vic]

One doesn't 'give' anyone anything. That's where you get confused.

Far too complicated by the looks of it as you are labouring under the false representation that large salaries and bonuses are gifted rather than earned.

To take it back to football, surely it's of more benefit if we give most of Yaya's salary to the players of League 2? They'd spend it in the Uk and not take it back to the Ivory Coast or similar.

As to how the rich spend their money (for it is theirs), that's entirely up to them. If they've paid their tax due then it's no one else's business.

You obviously define "earned" differently from me. They might be paid (or pay themselves) a lot more but it's not necessarily earned.

And of course it's not just their business if what they do with their less-taxed money damages the economy (or just society as more equal societies are happier societies).

wow - this fella n pull a crowd can't he?

Seeing no-one told anyone other than the press until two hours before, and it's not exactly a busy street I'd think it was ok. And there's 5000 people across the road.

 

[SWP's back]

you obviously define "earned" differently from me. They might be paid (or pay themselves) a lot more but it's not necessarily earned

I use HMRCs definition so I'd suggest mine is the definition in common usage.

It's certainly not gifted as you suggest.

And of course it's not just their business if what they do with their less-taxed money damages the economy (or just society as more equal societies are happier societies).

Less-taxed? What you on about? I'd already stated "so long as they pay the tax due".

You're just an old commie fella. Communism didn't work and I highly doubt it's making a come back in your lifetime.

It's their and their business alone how they spend their earned and taxed income no matter how unfair you believe it to be.

 

[Damocles]

You obviously define "earned" differently from me. They might be paid (or pay themselves) a lot more but it's not necessarily earned.

Hold on a minute, you can't do that!

Alright mate. I've seen factual evidence that you're a nonce.

Wait what? I'm not a nonce!

Yeah well we obviously have different definitions of "nonce". Mine means "nice guy".

You can't just redefine words whenever you want to mean something else in order to suit an argument point. It's an outrageous flaberation.

 

[blueish swede]

wow - this fella can pull a crowd can't he?

Is being able to attract a large crowd an important trait in being a leader of people? IIR Jesus' record attedance was only 5000 and he has had a huge influence on the world.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

I think that you are suggesting the reason the election has been called is because of the enquiry into spending by some Tory MPs/constituencies? Am I right to think that if there is fault found that would lead to a need for by-elections in the seats affected?

So lets agree that May is aware of there being a risk with that issue being ongoing, I would think that AC must be also be right with his view that the possibility of a majority of 100 plus seats is a major factor - she would hardly be calling a GE is she felt that she would not gain an increased majority would she?

It will be a calculated decision made because of a number of combined factors.

Surely the most important factor is that there will be a GE in June 2016, in which May, when calling it, has been crystal clear that she is looking to secure an appropriate mandate to have control in the negotiations by being able to mitigate the risks of both the Brexit hard-liners in her own party and the wider machinations that have been occurring at Westminster. If she achieves this she can face of to the EU with a united UK position.

In a representative democracy, if the UK population returns a Conservative government with an increased majority, does that just not blow away address points being made by Salmond, yourself, AC and others and 'reset' the position, with the UK having a definitive position as of June 2017 which has decided by the electorate through the primary democratic process.

If I am right that if fault is found with the MPs under investigation, that would have led to a need for a by-election - well that is surely addressed as well?

Do you not agree that it would essentially render any and all discussions and points being made as to why the GE was called moot?

It would need by-election as when they are found guilty, they will in time, be in jail. This then sees the tories lose their majority as things stand.
I think you mean June 2017 and will answer with that in mind. She is lying plain and simple. The rest is waffle from her, pure and simple.She has a mandate to continue, nobody has stopped the process for Brexit. There was a point of clarification required as she did understand the process and the judges gave her the clarification. There was still no opposition to the process of Brexit.
No it does not blow away the points made, they will remain. The reason she has done is because she knows a certain number (i think it is 40 although @30 seems to be suggested the most often) will be carted away and be spending time behind bars. She has to move now, this is thing thing that is large enough for her to u turn, again. Those carted will just confirm the corrupt party is corrupt. She has had a strong lead in the polls for a long time and ruled out a snap election. It is this fraud that is the thing that is sufficient for a change in heart. Now, if, she does get an increased number of seats and she is very confident she will, then she will have the extra seats and the majority to be perceived as to have soften the blow and get away with it.
No matter what happens, they will be known for being caught cheating. She is just hoping now she will have a larger majority to deal with fraudulent activities that broke the strict rules rather than doing nothing, with MP's jailed and just a 17 seat majority.

 

[Damocles]

It would need by-election as when they are found guilty, they will in time, be in jail. This then sees the tories lose their majority as things stand.
I think you mean June 2017 and will answer with that in mind. She is lying plain and simple. The rest is waffle from her, pure and simple.She has a mandate to continue, nobody has stopped the process for Brexit. There was a point of clarification required as she did understand the process and the judges gave her the clarification. There was still no opposition to the process of Brexit.
No it does not blow away the points made, they will remain. The reason she has done is because she knows a certain number (i think it is 40 although @30 seems to be suggested the most often) will be carted away and be spending time behind bars. She has to move now, this is thing thing that is large enough for her to u turn, again. Those carted will just confirm the corrupt party is corrupt. She has had a strong lead in the polls for a long time and ruled out a snap election. It is this fraud that is the thing that is sufficient for a change in heart. Now, if, she does get an increased number of seats and she is very confident she will, then she will have the extra seats and the majority to be perceived as to have soften the blow and get away with it.
No matter what happens, they will be known for being caught cheating. She is just hoping now she will have a larger majority to deal with fraudulent activities that broke the strict rules rather than doing nothing, with MP's jailed and just a 17 seat majority.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ared-election-spending-including-for-ed-stone

Labour fined £20,000 for undeclared election spending including for Ed Stone

Will have them behind bars huh?

 

[KenTheLandlord]

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ared-election-spending-including-for-ed-stone

Labour fined £20,000 for undeclared election spending including for Ed Stone

Will have them behind bars huh?

Yes. Behind bars.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/13/tory-election-expenses

It’s potentially one of the most explosive political stories of all time if the Tories were found to be guilty of deliberately fiddling election expenses to give themselves an unfair advantage in crucial marginal seats. People could go to prison. There might have to be byelections. It could turn out that David Cameron should never have had a majority government, which means we wouldn’t necessarily be having the EU referendum.

Now read the difference

You might recall that when the election expenses for 2015 were first published, people were interested to note that the receipt for Ed Miliband’s “Ed Stone” was not among the documents, and this also had to be investigated by the Electoral Commission. However, this is a minor infraction compared to the allegation that improper spending might have influenced the outcomes in specific constituencies.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Tramp?? Listen to yourself, he will have more money, definately more morals, clearly more intelligence (not difficult) and is a great socialist. Mind your manners sunshine. He is what the labour movement needs, snatch a win and get denis skinner in the cabinet.

As you are such a big labour fan maybe you will be supporting arsenal tomorrow, they play in red like your heros . We play in blue and you would not want anyone getting confused. You could be a Tory boy.

 

[Damocles]

Yes. Behind bars.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/13/tory-election-expenses

It’s potentially one of the most explosive political stories of all time if the Tories were found to be guilty of deliberately fiddling election expenses to give themselves an unfair advantage in crucial marginal seats. People could go to prison. There might have to be byelections. It could turn out that David Cameron should never have had a majority government, which means we wouldn’t necessarily be having the EU referendum.

Now read the difference

You might recall that when the election expenses for 2015 were first published, people were interested to note that the receipt for Ed Miliband’s “Ed Stone” was not among the documents, and this also had to be investigated by the Electoral Commission. However, this is a minor infraction compared to the allegation that improper spending might have influenced the outcomes in specific constituencies.

It can carry a maximum penalty of one year in jail, or there could be fines.

Yeah I'm sure they'll hit all the Tories with the maximum penalty when a year before they fined Labour. And it wasn't just the Ed Stone, that only prompted the investigation - they found improper spending all over the place. Read the article.

You're reaching so hard with this "the Tories will all be banged up" stuff that I'm thinking of hiring you out at the docks to passing sailors.