Post Match Thread: Election 2017

[Chippy_boy]

Beginning to think she has/had no intention of making any deal with the EU, hence the 'catchy' slogan. I think she is incredibly indecisive and knows her own limitations, but has a blind spot when it comes to accepting blame.

Seriously bad advisors to blame I think. Traditional thinking is never to admit you're wrong because it's perceived as a sign of weakness. I say bollocks. Doing a U-turn and saying nothing's changed, makes you look like you are fucking stupid or a liar. Either of which is worse than saying, "I'm sorry I got that wrong".

The Tories are normally swift when it comes to regicide.
Brexit complicates matters though.
A deal will be done with the DUP
Then may will give a date when she's resigning and then the tories will do their selection thing and after the last ballot when they are down to 2 the one with the least votes will withdraw meaning no ballot of party members.

Yep.

 

[The perfect fumble]

She has bloody great shoes fumble

She could always stab her stiletto heels in to Claude Junkers forehead, that might get her a hard Brexit.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I'm amused and, somewhat, bemused at this post!

For a nation that has been voting right, for as long as it can remember, it seems that you don't see the deep significance of the strides that Corbyn has made. It took an awful lot of 'counselling' from Corbyn to get people to not vote against their own interests and in a VERY short time (allowing him to adjust from back light to spotlight) he has formed a manifesto that has clicked with people and actually got people to read it!

Also, remember that Corbyn has had to fight through the bitter attacks of his own party and the disgusting sludge of Tory papers' scathing attacks and STILL was nipping at the heels of the Prime Minister! That's an EXTRAORDINARY achievement and something where, I think, you and other Toryphiles are badly misjudging the mood of the country.

That he fell just short, just goes to show that if he'd been given that bit more core belief from amongst those I mentioned, he'd be in Number 10 now.

I guarantee you, those MPs that thought they reflected their constituents are feeling like shit today, but they are Blairite babies that cannot see the Tory in the mirror...

Fookin' Blairism is DEAD and you don't see it.

Two things seem to have escaped you.

1. Corybn has done no better than Gordon Brown in 2010. Nothing to crow about.

2. He was fortunate that the Tories ran the worst campaign ever. Had they not done so, he wouldn't have got as close as he did. Part of his "success" is not down to him.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

You seem somewhat better disposed towards Gideon today....

A case of one **** calling another **** a ****.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

I can't watch her speak today as i want to punch the telly,hope they stab her in the back and the front like they did to thatcher

They will. They have previous! There has never been a loser from any political group who has hung on for a second chance. The person at the top carries the can!

 

[kinkyisno.1]

Two things seem to have escaped you.

1. Corybn got no more votes than Gordon Brown in 2010. Nothing to crow about.
2. He was fortunate that the Tories ran the worst campaign ever. Had they not done so, he wouldn't have got as close as he did. Part of his "success" is not down to him.

Along with it being also down to the Media,you are correct.

 

[The perfect fumble]

5 years is a long time in politics ;-)

I've a feeling you'll not be betting your house she'll last that long :-)

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Two things seem to have escaped you.

1. Corybn got no more votes than Gordon Brown in 2010. Nothing to crow about.
2. He was fortunate that the Tories ran the worst campaign ever. Had they not done so, he wouldn't have got as close as he did. Part of his "success" is not down to him.

I think little of Labour's fortune from last night is down to Corbyn. Had the Labour Party had a more centrist bunch and a more centrist manifesto they would have come even closer, if not surpassing the Tories.

 

[Bigga]

Two things seem to have escaped you.

1. Corybn got no more votes than Gordon Brown in 2010. Nothing to crow about.
2. He was fortunate that the Tories ran the worst campaign ever. Had they not done so, he wouldn't have got as close as he did. Part of his "success" is not down to him.

Keep telling yourself that.

This election hasn't helped you explore anything that's happened.

Typical Tory.

 

[Blue Llama]

I'm amused and, somewhat, bemused at this post!

For a nation that has been voting right, for as long as it can remember, it seems that you don't see the deep significance of the strides that Corbyn has made. It took an awful lot of 'counselling' from Corbyn to get people to not vote against their own interests and in a VERY short time (allowing him to adjust from back light to spotlight) he has formed a manifesto that has clicked with people and actually got people to read it!

Also, remember that Corbyn has had to fight through the bitter attacks of his own party and the disgusting sludge of Tory papers' scathing attacks and STILL was nipping at the heels of the Prime Minister! That's an EXTRAORDINARY achievement and something where, I think, you and other Toryphiles are badly misjudging the mood of the country.

That he fell just short, just goes to show that if he'd been given that bit more core belief from amongst those I mentioned, he'd be in Number 10 now.

I guarantee you, those MPs that thought they reflected their constituents are feeling like shit today, but they are Blairite babies that cannot see the Tory in the mirror...

Fookin' Blairism is DEAD and you don't see it.

Fell just short! Labour are over 50 seats behind the Tories. Blairism might be dead but its decomposition is two generations behind left wing socialism.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

I've a feeling you'll not be betting your house she'll last that long :-)

Ive already said I think she will step down once the negotiations are in full flow.

 

[kinkyisno.1]

Ive already said I think she will step down once the negotiations are in full flow.

Do you think we will ever get them in full flow? Also our position has now been dramatically hammered and any deal we can get will be a fraction of what could have been imo...and all rigged to do so.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

A case of one **** calling another **** a ****.

If he'd hung around, rather than go to the Evening Standard, he'd have been PM before this month was out.

 

[The perfect fumble]

I'm amused and, somewhat, bemused at this post!

For a nation that has been voting right, for as long as it can remember, it seems that you don't see the deep significance of the strides that Corbyn has made. It took an awful lot of 'counselling' from Corbyn to get people to not vote against their own interests and in a VERY short time (allowing him to adjust from back light to spotlight) he has formed a manifesto that has clicked with people and actually got people to read it!

Also, remember that Corbyn has had to fight through the bitter attacks of his own party and the disgusting sludge of Tory papers' scathing attacks and STILL was nipping at the heels of the Prime Minister! That's an EXTRAORDINARY achievement and something where, I think, you and other Toryphiles are badly misjudging the mood of the country.

That he fell just short, just goes to show that if he'd been given that bit more core belief from amongst those I mentioned, he'd be in Number 10 now.

I guarantee you, those MPs that thought they reflected their constituents are feeling like shit today, but they are Blairite babies that cannot see the Tory in the mirror...

Fookin' Blairism is DEAD and you don't see it.

It's noticeable that, how shall I put it? Those who don't hold Labour close to their heart, all seem to want a Blair clone leading the party.

Chuka Umunna has made it known he's available if asked!! Seems the rats are returning having noticed the ship hasn't sunk after all, and now seems to be happily sailing away without them.

 

[Bigga]

Fell just short! Labour are over 50 seats behind the Tories. Blairism might be dead but its decomposition is two generations behind left wing socialism.

Again, your making the classic mistake of failing to use context when extrapolating to your own means. It may have been a figurative use of the phrase, but I was also marking what he had to deal with.

Quite ignorant of you, really.

 

[mackenzie]

I posted this somewhere before mackenzie..A complete rig up. I said as soon as i heard the result today that its all a rig up. Theresa May(the remainer btw) quickly and very conveniently called a general election before the brexit talks began properly..she then acts the clown and the wonderful media give her a bit of a clobbering..meanwhile they ramp up ol' jezzas profile and the sheep just follow and chew the grass..then bingo,hung parliament,next step a 2nd referendum...its a total bolox. Get Nige back into the frame forthwith and let him smash into the lot of em.

I was also amazed when, at her last 'public' rally on Wednesday, she reminded everyone listening that if the Tories lost just 6 seats then they would no longer have a majority. Why did she say that? Tory voters don't usually need to be reminded to vote.
Not for a minute suggesting a conspiracy theory, merely pointing out her lack of political acumen because that was an own goal imho

 

[Clevers]

That's the big difference between Tory and Labour when plotting theTories don't wash their dirty linen in public.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Ive already said I think she will step down once the negotiations are in full flow.

She'll be pushed more like.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I think little of Labour's fortune from last night is down to Corbyn. Had the Labour Party had a more centrist bunch and a more centrist manifesto they would have come even closer, if not surpassing the Tories.

I totally agree. Corbyn did a great job at mobilising Labour and indeed UKIP voters. What he did not achieve in sufficient numbers was to convince moderate Tory voters.

Traditionally, sitting governments get booted out after 1 or 2 terms unless they are simply outstanding and/or their opponents are in complete disarray. This is even more true when the incumbent government is having to make deep cuts and other very unpalatable decisions. After a few years, people start to literally loathe them, as we can see is the case from these very forums.

When you put it all together;

• Abysmal Tory campaign - check
• Deeply unpopular austerity - check
• Been in power for years - check
• u-turns and all sorts of cock ups - check
• No positive Tory vision for the future - check
• Home secretary personally responsible for the police cuts - check

It is inconceivable to me, that a sensible, moderate Labour leader would not have won yesterday. I'm 100% positive they would. However, as Len said, there would not have been a general election yesterday, if Labour party did not had Corbyn at the helm in the first place. The Tories would never have called it.

 

[The perfect fumble]

sensible, moderate Labour leader