Grenfell Tower block disaster

[mancityvstoke]

I don't listen to Govt........... I listen to local people

 

[SWP's back]

According to local people it is true...no coordination no one from the local council etc etc I could go on.

You people in different countries know even less......

https://www.facebook.com/groups/803832793107700/

To the bit you added and edited, I'll stick with what the council are saying.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

I don't listen to Govt........... I listen to local people

That's your choice. It doesn't make you right though does it? Just equally misinformed as those "local people" making uninformed statements based on zero information.

 

[SWP's back]

She can't find most of the people she grew up with and is clearly suffering from post traumatic stress.
I personally don't think she's fucking nuts.
I think she is grieving albeit in an emotionaly charged state.
Poor woman : (

She most certainly shouldn't be being put in front of a camera in that state.

 

[kaz7]

Hammond: Cladding was banned in the UK

Chancellor Philip Hammond has told Andrew Marr that the plastic cladding used to insulate the tower block was banned in the UK.

"My understanding is the cladding in question, this flammable cladding which is banned in Europe and the US, is also banned here.

"So there are two separate questions. One, are our regulations correct, do they permit the right kind of materials and ban the wrong kind of materials? The second question is were they correctly complied with?

"That will be a subject that the inquiry will look at. It will also be a subject that the criminal investigation will be looking at."

He said all issues surrounding the fire would be put "under the microscope" in the public inquiry. He said the Government is committed to making sure that, when the inquiry produces its findings, "we will act on them".

 

[SWP's back]

It emerged today that the cladding installed on Grenfell was not designed for use on buildings taller than 10metres high - a fraction of the 67metre Grenfell block.

The Department for Communities and Local Government said cladding with a flammable core - like that used on Grenfell Tower - was banned on buildings over 18metres high.

A breach of building regulations is a criminal offence with unlimited fines.

Someone's going to jail.

 

[SilverFox2]

I wonder how many councils throughout the UK have similarly constructed high rise flats ?

 

[BlueAnorak]

Hammond may be right...
If you read the fire regs any cladding must be of type class 0 (and not add to any fire).

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/fire-safety-approved-document-b
(doc on housing)
Class 0 is defined as:

Class 0 (National)
1. Any non-combustible material or material of limited combustibility. (composite products
listed in Table A7 must meet test requirements given in Appendix A, paragraph 13(b)).
2. Brickwork, blockwork, concrete and ceramic tiles.
3. Plasterboard (painted or not with a PVC facing not more than 0.5mm thick) with or
without an air gap or fibrous or cellular insulating material behind.
4. Woodwool cement slabs.
5. Mineral fibre tiles or sheets with cement or resin binding.

Anyway for those that want to knock yourselves out reading the regs, I've posted the link.

 

[bobmcfc]

http://www.probyn-miers.com/perspec...rnal-cladding-panels-perspective-from-the-uk/


Have a read of this. Think it's a few years old but it's scary reading

 

[Gabriel]

I wonder how many councils throughout the UK have similarly constructed high rise flats ?

I'm paraphrasing from a recent Mirror article in which it was stated that, in 2015, Inside Housing magazine had used Freedom of Information Act requests to reveal that, of the 87 councils owning 2,925 tower blocks. Of these, only 11 local authorities had fitted sprinkler systems to flats in a total of just 18 blocks.

Whether they are constructed or clad in a similar manner I do not know.

 

[bobmcfc]

http://www.probyn-miers.com/perspec...rnal-cladding-panels-perspective-from-the-uk/


Have a read of this. Think it's a few years old but it's scary reading

I'm bumping this to the next page. It's very comprehensive and explains the cladding and it's core materials. After reading that I can see no good reasonWhy they would put it on buildings


If it isn't banned in the UK then it should be

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....nt-against-cladding-material-used-on-grenfell

 

[mancityvstoke]

Contractors removing details from their websites of work they did on this tower block

 

[Dubai Blue]

Someone's going to jail.

Even the manufacturers' own instructions state that these panels shouldn't be fitted above 10 metres

 

[SWP's back]

Even the manufacturers' own instructions state that these panels shouldn't be fitted above 10 metres

It's criminal, it really is.

 

[SilverFox2]

Is the use of this material above its recommended height unique to this building or even unique to this council ?

 

[BlueAnorak]

Here's the details of the PE cladding material used and how it was testes. It's a good read.
https://www.impact-solutions.co.uk/pe-cladding-and-fire-ratings-what-does-it-all-mean/

I just fail to see how PE cladding passed BS476 parts 6 & 7 to be class 0 compliant without being at least fire retardant.
I guess this will be one of the major enquiry issues.

 

[mancityvstoke]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4611268/Grenfell-cladding-bosses-2-5m-tax-avoidance.html

 

[worsleyweb]

The building contractors looking more culpable by the day in my opinion.

 

[Gabriel]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4611268/Grenfell-cladding-bosses-2-5m-tax-avoidance.html

I imagine the media will be camped outside their house for some time to come.

 

[mancityvstoke]

The whole building process was filmed on time lapse cameras so that should be good evidence