Why insist on it being advisory in the first place then.
The government went into the Brexit negotiations in bad faith. That was the plan from the beginning. They tried to get the smaller Eastern European states onside in a bid to divide and rule. They tried to drive wedges between members in the hope of creating a domino effect, with our right wing press banging on about which country would be the next to exit. Would it be Frexit, Nexit or Auxit. We weren't just going to leave home, we were going to knock the house down as well. The EU, quite understandably didn't like it very much. This is what Elmar Brok, a German MEP said about it: “The British government tries to divide and rule,” he said. “They believe they can take members of parliament out of certain nations … to win support by dividing us. If they try to negotiate while trying to interfere in our side then we can do that too. We can make a big fuss over Scotland. Or Northern Ireland.” Not really the way to win friends and influence people, is it.
If only Jeeza had shown up for that debate...This pic tells us a lot....
We're having our arse handed to us, but for Davis it doesn't matter, the price we're going to pay, all of us, is immaterial to him, because for him this is a culmination of a decades long political ambition to leave the EU. If you want to look for political zealotry, don't look to the likes of Corbyn, look to the Europhobes in the Tory Party.
Who is in charge?
Laura Kuennsberg, BBC political editor
It's often compared to a divorce - the UK wanted to talk about who gets the house and the CD collection at the same time as settling who pays for the kids' weddings in 20 years' time.
The EU on the other hand have been firm all along that the future arrangements could only be discussed once the terms of the initial split have been agreed.
The debate was called "parallelism versus sequentialism" and from this afternoon's press conference and the announcement of the procedure it is clear that the UK has lost.
Ministers believed they would be able to persuade the EU - the failure to do so has been described as a "total cave-in".
The discussion was even predicted by Mr Davis as likely to be the "row of the summer". The row won't happen because it seems the UK has already given in
This one's just for you Fumble.This pic tells us a lot....
We're having our arse handed to us, but for Davis it doesn't matter, the price we're going to pay, all of us, is immaterial to him, because for him this is a culmination of a decades long political ambition to leave the EU. If you want to look for political zealotry, don't look to the likes of Corbyn, look to the Europhobes in the Tory Party.
Who is in charge?
Laura Kuennsberg, BBC political editor
It's often compared to a divorce - the UK wanted to talk about who gets the house and the CD collection at the same time as settling who pays for the kids' weddings in 20 years' time.
The EU on the other hand have been firm all along that the future arrangements could only be discussed once the terms of the initial split have been agreed.
The debate was called "parallelism versus sequentialism" and from this afternoon's press conference and the announcement of the procedure it is clear that the UK has lost.
Ministers believed they would be able to persuade the EU - the failure to do so has been described as a "total cave-in".
The discussion was even predicted by Mr Davis as likely to be the "row of the summer". The row won't happen because it seems the UK has already given in
Difference is Scotland and Northern Ireland are our country, we aren't a union the bellend. The "United" part of our United Kingdom name, refers to the past event of two kingdoms joining together into one - which happened 104 years before Scottish and English parliaments dissolved into one.
I read somewhere yesterday that Brexit was more likely to put the "Little" in "England" rather than put the "Great" in "Britain"
If this is the calibre of knowledge and awareness we are dealing with from the Brexiteers then I'm not surprised we are in the shit we are in.
The EU's turn to say "No, No, No".This pic tells us a lot....
We're having our arse handed to us, but for Davis it doesn't matter, the price we're going to pay, all of us, is immaterial to him, because for him this is a culmination of a decades long political ambition to leave the EU. If you want to look for political zealotry, don't look to the likes of Corbyn, look to the Europhobes in the Tory Party.
Who is in charge?
Laura Kuennsberg, BBC political editor
It's often compared to a divorce - the UK wanted to talk about who gets the house and the CD collection at the same time as settling who pays for the kids' weddings in 20 years' time.
The EU on the other hand have been firm all along that the future arrangements could only be discussed once the terms of the initial split have been agreed.
The debate was called "parallelism versus sequentialism" and from this afternoon's press conference and the announcement of the procedure it is clear that the UK has lost.
Ministers believed they would be able to persuade the EU - the failure to do so has been described as a "total cave-in".
The discussion was even predicted by Mr Davis as likely to be the "row of the summer". The row won't happen because it seems the UK has already given in
I hope that's a clarkie because I've dedicated significant time over a number of years studying the history of these isles so know the intricacies of it very well and to a much higher degree than most of the population.
They are not your countries but a voluntary union created by an Act of Parliament. Regardless of when the Union was constituted it is still a union. It's why the Loyalists in Northern Ireland are referred to as Unionists and the DUP is the Demoratic Unionist Party and why the full name of the Tory party is the Conservative and Unionist Party. It's why the Scots would have been entitled to become independent had they voted Yes in the referendum.
But it's only united because the respective countries choose for it to be united. If the Scottish referendum had gone the other way we wouldn't even be having this conversation now. It's a union because it's constituted by an act of parliament and it could be dissolved by one. Scotland doesn't have the same status as Yorkshire for example.
