Veganism

[Juan King]

yes there is, as demonstrated already tonight, repeatedly.

You haven't demonstrated anything. What do you need meat for? How is it that there are people who don't eat meat that are still alive & functioning?

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

You haven't demonstrated anything. What do you need meat for? How is it that there are people who don't eat meat that are still alive & functioning?

through artificial means, unless you've found that natural B12 leafy green since we last spoke.

 

[west didsblue]

You haven't demonstrated anything. What do you need meat for? How is it that there are people who don't eat meat that are still alive & functioning?

They're fucking miserable though.

 

[MellowJoe]

You may have taken the premise of "having a butty" wrong. Most people simply eat them.

However, I simply wanted to know (without going back to the start of the thread) if you're born again veganism was a relatively new thing, which it is. Sort of like a reformed alcoholic or smoker not abiding anyone doing it in their presence.

Ah, you wish to make me out a sinner who has seen the error of his ways.. Well, how long does one have to have been 'enlightened' for, for their arguments to have legitimate weight? Obviously I would say arguments stand on their own.

 

[Juan King]

through artificial means, unless you've found that natural B12 leafy green since we last spoke.

You can get b12 from sources that aren't meat, so your argument that meat is necessary is not correct.

 

[MellowJoe]

you don't respect our sentience. Either respect all sentience or stfu about it.

Am I hurting you honey? accept my sincerest apologies.

 

[Juan King]

They're fucking miserable though.

I don't eat meat anymore and I'm far from miserable. In fact I would say I feel much better since I changed my diet.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

You can get b12 from sources that aren't meat, so your argument that meat is necessary is not correct.

The vast majority of which are fortified or supplements. So for the vast majority of people, an omnivorous diet is more naturally balanced.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Am I hurting you honey? accept my sincerest apologies.

Only my sides with laughter. Honey's overtly Americanised though, which is plainly unacceptable.

 

[Deleted member 13905]

It's a thread about veganism.I don't see anyone "banging on" about it outside the thread. I don't really talk about it to people who have no interest in everyday life, I just think there are people on here presenting arguments that meat is essential, which is clearly not true and should be challenged.

don't misunderstand me,
i wasn't meaning people who discuss their reasoning in a thread relevant to the subject,
not at all,
i'm all for a fucking good chat about things and people expressing their thoughts on a matter,
and people talking about their reasons for how they behave.
we are all different and different opinons help forge our own.

i was more talking about, say, when you have people round for a meal,
or go to a restaurant with ismists,
and all they do is go on about their ism
and how there's nothing on the fucking menu for them,
and they have no interest in how someone else's steak tastes or why.
i'm always curious about about things and i ask and talk.

i more meant the self-righteous preachers who ram their isms down other's throats on such occasions.
they are dullards who can ruin an evening, that's all i was try to say.

 

[Juan King]

The vast majority of which are fortified or supplements. So for the vast majority of people, an omnivorous diet is more naturally balanced.

You said that meat was necessary to maintain health. Supplements or not that is not true. The fact that most omnivores diets are deficient seems to have gone over your head.

 

[west didsblue]

I don't eat meat anymore and I'm far from miserable. In fact I would say I feel much better since I changed my diet.

No sense of humour either;-)

 

[Raheem's On Fire]

in most cases, no, but doesn't mean it should be banned. I was just turning the discussion a different way and asking what would we do if we stopped killing them, we are in a certain position after all.

The sentiment and desire to see the most humane methods possible are admirable and one I share.

I'm not calling for a ban. That isn't my place.

I would hope over time the more people stop eating meat would lead to these practices ending naturally.

If that takes thousands of years then so be it but spreading awareness (without ramming it down people's throats) is also admirable.

As for you original question, ultimately, some of the animals we eat would end up extinct which is a different argument I suppose but ultimately, my stance is that it's better an animal not have to suffer

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

You said that meat was necessary to maintain health. Supplements or not that is not true. The fact that most omnivores diets are deficient seems to have gone over your head.

Nope, that's personal choice, not fact. I said without supplementing your diet, you just chose to make that the non-issue it isn't to justify Veganism as a natural alternative, when it isn't.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

I'm not calling for a ban. That isn't my place.

I would hope over time the more people stop eating meat would lead to these practices ending naturally.

If that takes thousands of years then so be it but spreading awareness (without ramming it down people's throats) is also admirable.

As for you original question, ultimately, some of the animals we eat would end up extinct which is a different argument I suppose but ultimately, my stance is that it's better an animal not have to suffer

some people are, and I think extinction is a much more drawn out suffering than slaughter. Akin to denying assisted suicide.

 

[Juan King]

don't misunderstand me,
i wasn't meaning people who discuss their reasoning in a thread relevant to the subject,
not at all,
i'm all for a fucking good chat about things and people expressing their thoughts on a matter,
and people talking about their reasons for how they behave.
we are all different and different opinons help forge our own.

i was more talking about, say, when you have people round for a meal,
or go to a restaurant with ismists,
and all they do is go on about their ism
and how there's nothing on the fucking menu for them,
and they have no interest in how someone else's steak tastes or why.
i'm always curious about about things and i ask and talk.

i more meant the self-righteous preachers who ram their isms down other's throats on such occasions.
they are dullards who can ruin an evening, that's all i was try to say.

I agree with you on that. I made the mistake of going in a vegan food shop and the people in there were smug cunts who were full of their own self importance. I avoid places like that now. It's the same in all walks of life, there are vegans who are sound and there are some that are twats.

 

[Juan King]

No sense of humour either;-)

Wait until I tell you about my mother in law!

 

[Deleted member 13905]

I agree with you on that. I made the mistake of going in a vegan food shop and the people in there were smug cunts who were full of their own self importance. I avoid places like that now. It's the same in all walks of life, there are vegans who are sound and there are some that are twats.

i know a few fruitarians.
they privately admit they have never had a solid stool in years.
one told me once that she was overjoyed one morning to at least have passed something that resembled fudge.
at least she could joke about it.

 

[west didsblue]

I agree with you on that. I made the mistake of going in a vegan food shop and the people in there were smug cunts who were full of their own self importance. I avoid places like that now. It's the same in all walks of life, there are vegans who are sound and there are some that are twats.

Vegans are ok. It's the Veganists like Not very mellow Joe who are a pain in the arse.

 

[MellowJoe]

Vegans are ok. It's the Veganists like Not very mellow Joe who are a pain in the arse.

Diddums. It's the Veganism thread. To be burdened with the harsh truths.