Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

[blueinsa]

The Englishman left because he kept having to buy the bloody drinks.

Bravo!

So.....the EU have yet again threatened us, telling us we better get serious.

Or what?

We are serious.......serious we are leaving.

They just dont get it do they?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

The Englishman left because he kept having to buy the bloody drinks.

Ha ha, the best yet!

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

The Englishman left because he kept having to buy the bloody drinks.

Although he's still buying the drinks for the other two, as well as the Welsh!

 

[BlueHammer85]

Bravo!

So.....the EU have yet again threatened us, telling us we better get serious.

Or what?

We are serious.......serious we are leaving.

They just dont get it do they?

There are many factors and processes for leaving.

Government is pissing around with no clear plan and the EU which were 'going to beg for us to join back in ' seem to be the ones pushing for a exit deal rather than us.

 

[bluethrunthru]

There are many factors and processes for leaving.

Government is pissing around with no clear plan and the EU which were 'going to beg for us to join back in ' seem to be the ones pushing for a exit deal rather than us.

Posting "position" and "discussion" papers is all they have done so far. It helps the Mail present them in a "this WILL happen" kind of way when clearly it won't - they are just starting to set out the UK side of the negs and what we HOPE to achieve. Of course they won't get most potentially but what appears to be happening is a continuation of the referendum campaign rather than doing actual work - the similarities between Trumps campaiging 24/7 since election and what our govt is doing are remarkable.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Posting "position" and "discussion" papers is all they have done so far. It helps the Mail present them in a "this WILL happen" kind of way when clearly it won't - they are just starting to set out the UK side of the negs and what we HOPE to achieve. Of course they won't get most potentially but what appears to be happening is a continuation of the referendum campaign rather than doing actual work

Seven position papers in recent weeks have left everything as vague and wishful as ever, cake-and-eat-it crumbs on every page, with Davis feigning “constructive ambiguity” to cover his cluelessness.

 

[The perfect fumble]

No worries, Boris is smoothing over the cracks....

 

[smudgedj]

There are many factors and processes for leaving.

Government is pissing around with no clear plan and the EU which were 'going to beg for us to join back in ' seem to be the ones pushing for a exit deal rather than us.

Sure.

It’s EU side with their absurd divorce bill that are the ones pissing around.

I'm reliably informed yesterday went like this;

Barnier: We need to discuss the divorce bill before anything else
UK : Sure; What figure are you talking about?
Barnier: €100bn please
UK: Please set out the legal basis for the €100bn
Barnier: OK, maybe not €100bn. What are you willing to pay?
UK: We will pay whatever we are legally obliged to. Please set out what this is.
Barnier: You Brits are so unprepared.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Sure.

It’s EU side with their absurd divorce bill that are the ones pissing around.

I'm reliably informed yesterday went like this;

Barnier: We need to discuss the divorce bill before anything else
UK : Sure; What figure are you talking about?
Barnier: €100bn please
UK: Please set out the legal basis for the €100bn
Barnier: OK, maybe not €100bn. What are you willing to pay?
UK: We will pay whatever we are legally obliged to. Please set out what this is.
Barnier: You Brits are so unprepared.

You are living in a dream and forcing the rest of us to share the nightmare.

Legally obliged is a red herring, all that matters in a negotiation is leverage and power, and we have precious little of either.

Why do you refuse to see the bleeding obvious? Day after day this fiasco exposes how woefully unprepared we are and yet you continue to peddle this vacuous nonsense.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Sure.

It’s EU side with their absurd divorce bill that are the ones pissing around.

I'm reliably informed yesterday went like this;

reliably informed by whom?

 

[smudgedj]

reliably informed by whom?

I wasn't being serious, I thought that would have been obvious. Text is so hard to parse.

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

I wasn't being serious, I thought that would have been obvious. Text is so hard to parse.

They are a jumpy lot on this thread half the time :)

 

[smudgedj]

They are a jumpy lot on this thread half the time :)

Well a few are angry that we won't do what the eu tells us to do.

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

Well a few are angry that we won't do what the eu tells us to do.

I can see their point I really can, we should bend over assume the position and know our bloody place ;)

 

[bluethrunthru]

Well a few are angry that we won't do what the eu tells us to do.

whereas somehow 27 other EU members should do what we tell them???

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

whereas somehow 27 other EU members should do what we tell them???

Not at all, we're off it's up to them what they do.

 

[smudgedj]

whereas somehow 27 other EU members should do what we tell them???

No of course not.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Apparently, Barnier is not discussing any future trading arrangements until we've paid a leaving bill, a bill
that is not legally enforceable. Then there is his stance on rights for EU citizens in Britain, I thought we'd already
guaranteed this, and merely want reciprocal rights for our citizens in Europe, so Britain's position is clear.

 

[Vic]

Apparently, Barnier is not discussing any future trading arrangements until we've paid a leaving bill, a bill
that is not legally enforceable.

Well of course. If it's not legally enforceable, the only possible arrangement is one where we agree to pay in order to get acceptable future trading arrangements. No payment, no deal, and there are few "hard Brexit" people left in the government now who think that would not cost us more than paying our dues.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Well of course. If it's not legally enforceable, the only possible arrangement is one where we agree to pay in order to get acceptable future trading arrangements. No payment, no deal, and there are few "hard Brexit" people left in the government now who think that would not cost us more than paying our dues.

What, exactly, are our 'Dues?'