Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

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vonkeynotvenky said:
Yes I do and the sacking of Sarah Champion was disgraceful. Although this has very little to do with Brexit.
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It has to do with your assertion that Farage was "right about the EU". In a speech in June 2016, he said that one of the risks we faced by remaining in the EU was the mass rape of our women by migrants. I was making an ironical point. Whoosh.
 
casserole of nonsense said:
It has to do with your assertion that Farage was "right about the EU". In a speech in June 2016, he said that one of the risks we faced by remaining in the EU was the mass rape of our women by migrants. I was making an ironical point. Whoosh.
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I said Farage was right and is still right about the EU, you conflated my answer to mean that I agree with everything he says, that's a whoosh if ever I saw one.
 
For all the remainers and open border advocates here's something to keep you warm on those long EU nights leading up to the unchaining of the UK from the shackles of EU imperialism.

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JWBlueman said:
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I also think an African farmer should be able to sell his or her wares in to the uk as easily as a multi-millionaire French (white) agri-conglomerate.
But they can't because the EU impose tariffs on food from outside the eu zone. That seems unfair to me.

Wanting the above apparently makes me a thick northern racist.
Defending the above would apparently make me a liberal.

Go figure.
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So what tariffs imposed by the EU will this so obviously pro-developing-world government cut on third world agricultural products or will it just be WTO tariffs?

For every Tory MP keen to help the third world there must be nine keener to protect British farming (and the number of farming interests in favour of Brexit seems to be dwindling).

(Conversely, how many Tory MPs own agricultural land that could be worth more as housing? I've no idea - just wondering.)
 
Vic said:
So what tariffs imposed by the EU will this so obviously pro-developing-world government cut on third world agricultural products or will it just be WTO tariffs?

For every Tory MP keen to help the third world there must be nine keener to protect British farming (and the number of farming interests in favour of Brexit seems to be dwindling).

(Conversely, how many Tory MPs own agricultural land that could be worth more as housing? I've no idea - just wondering.)
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You're quite correct in one sense. These bastards we have in power today would do zero,zilch, nada for the developing world other than the barest of bare minimums.

But say we had a barnstorming, reforming Labour govt one day (we can but hope) that wanted to lower tariffs on the developing world for some industries ( I picked farming but it might be something else). In the EU they can't. Outside the EU in a UK that sets its own trade deals they could. And we could vote for them knowing that they would (and also knowing that if they then didn't we could hold them to account as they wouldn't have the excuse "sorry guys, the EU stopped us")
 
Labour U turn on single market, free movement & customs union. Vote winner or loser? It will certainly make it more difficult for May to win the crucial votes in parliament.
 
vonkeynotvenky said:
Farage was and still is right about the EU and if you think that Merkels migrants are escaping the war in Syria then you've fell for the narrative that's been fed to you. What Merkel has done is sheer madness and it has a reason. As for us? How many adult male children should we accept? How many Syrian women and genuine children came on the last intake?
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How many asylum seekers came to the UK in 2015?
The UK received 38,500 asylum applications in 2016.

This was less than Germany (587,346), Sweden (83,103), and France (62,771).

In 2015, just 45 per cent of cases were granted asylum and allowed to stay once their cases had been fully concluded.

Many are initially refused because it is difficult to provide the evidence needed to meet the strict criteria of a refugee.
 
cibaman said:
Labour U turn on single market, free movement & customs union. Vote winner or loser? It will certainly make it more difficult for May to win the crucial votes in parliament.
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Great move by Jezza and Keir.
Will split the Tories apart ( Soubry et al, Davidson and the Scottish Tories etc.) when the Tory proposed bespoke 'cake and eat it ' transition deal crashes and/or gets voted down in Parliament.
Labour's new position could create a majority in this Parliament for soft Brexit.
Interesting to see how business reacts to Labour's proposals.
They should welcome it with open arms, will be interesting to see if their usual self interest instincts kick in.
 
Len Rum said:
Great move by Jezza and Keir.
Will split the Tories apart ( Soubry et al, Davidson and the Scottish Tories etc.) when the Tory proposed bespoke 'cake and eat it ' transition deal crashes and/or gets voted down in Parliament.
Labour's new position could create a majority in this Parliament for soft Brexit.
Interesting to see how business reacts to Labour's proposals.
They should welcome it with open arms, will be interesting to see if their usual self interest instincts kick in.
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It's about time Labour took a shit or got off the pot. This is potentially the first step in a messy and bloody road to a second referendum and the reversal of the madness.
 
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