January transfer/its quiet Thread

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mosssideblue said:
We have no idea whether there has been any interaction between the club, but I would like to think that if we are looking at this window, the legwork has been ongoing for some time
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Yes. I expect everything is in place with the player. However I can't see Arsenal selling without getting a replacement in so I think we have an indication from Arsenal's own in/activity as to the likelihood of a deal. The mystery of Riyadh Mahrez really puzzles me. Made for Arsenal I'd have thought, but still ignored by them and seemingly everyone else. I don't think Arsenal will sell him. They know the player wants out, but they don't seem to have made any move to replace him. Of course they might have done so and kept it quiet, or they may move in the next 3 weeks, but I think that's unlikely. Some will point to the Summer, but I don't believe they ever had any serious intention of doing that deal. No one can be that incompetent surely?
 
Marvin said:
Yes. I expect everything is in place with the player. However I can't see Arsenal selling without getting a replacement in so I think we have an indication from Arsenal's own in/activity as to the likelihood of a deal. The mystery of Riyadh Mahrez really puzzles me. Made for Arsenal I'd have thought, but still ignored by them and seemingly everyone else. I don't think Arsenal will sell him. They know the player wants out, but they don't seem to have made any move to replace him. Of course they might have done so and kept it quiet, or they may move in the next 3 weeks, but I think that's unlikely. Some will point to the Summer, but I don't believe they ever had any serious intention of doing that deal. No one can be that incompetent surely?
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Without a replacement I cannot see them releasing him this window as they still have top 4 aspirations
 
The Scouts of Man City were in attendance for Sporting Lisbon vs Benfica, which ended 1-1 yesterday to follow the Sporting players Gelson Martinez, William Carvalho and Benfica's Alex Gremaldo.

 
Marvin said:
'Top quality' and 'World class player'. Easy to state, but his performances at Arsenal do not suggest that he would improve our squad in anything but numbers and reputation. He is 12th in league goal-scoring charts and 42nd in the assists charts. I think you are mistaken if you think it's down to attitude. I watched the Arsenal v Chelsea game last night and he ran himself into the ground, so much so that he scarcely touched the ball in the 2nd half. He had a good 1st half, and a poor 2nd.

He was world class by any definition. But players can slide quickly. And he is. Thankfully we have less than 4 weeks to see what Pep will do. Setting aside the pros and cons, the fact that we do not have an agreement in place with Arsenal suggests to me he is not going anywhere this window. Southampton did not want to sell VVD in the Summer, but Liverpool obviously worked at it over the Summer, and the deal was in place. If we had a serious intention to bring him here, I think a deal would be done, and Arsenal would have had a deal in place. Obviously still plenty of time for things to change, but the fact that this is an old target suggests to me that some people are barking up the wrong tree.

That's a loaded question. Clearly if he would significantly strengthen the squad we would try and do it. The more basic questions are would he significantly strengthen the squad, and will Arsenal sell? Both are matters of opinion. Arsenal had no intention of selling in the Summer, because they did nothing about it until the last day and once again there's no sign of an incoming Arsenal player to replace him. If you see Arsenal agreeing a deal with Mahrez or Lemar etc, then I'd say that they are preparing to sell him.

We're 20 odd points above Arsenal. Logically, at the age of 29, he should be having an absolutely amazing season for us to consider him. He isn't, therefore the enthusiasm to sign him seems misplaced to me. At bayern, Pep signed Alonso. He was an old player, but an old player in his prime whose game, passing, was not going to be affected significantly by age (Gaz Baz). The argument for signing him is restricted to a short term possibility that we may never have an opportunity to win a domestic treble again and Sanchez may help us to do that. An extra pair of legs would help now, but even so I don't think he is enough of a match-winner or an outstanding player that justifies 3 years in our squad at the expense of alternatives in our youth team, and unidentified players in the future. For me players like Maitland-Niles, Ozil, Wilshere are more important for Arsenal. He's not even the best player at Arsenal any more and yet some City fans are convinced he's a vital piece of our jigsaw?
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he scarcely touched the ball in the 2nd half

Wouldn't be an issue for him in our side mate.
 
blueincy said:
The Scouts of Man City were in attendance for Sporting Lisbon vs Benfica, which ended 1-1 yesterday to follow the Sporting players Gelson Martinez, William Carvalho and Benfica's Alex Gremaldo.

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Ha! It's almost like I'm running the hen house now :)
 
Off topic but Chelsea signing Barkley for £15m today and reportedly want Andy Carroll. Good business?
 
Marvin said:
'Top quality' and 'World class player'. Easy to state, but his performances at Arsenal do not suggest that he would improve our squad in anything but numbers and reputation. He is 12th in league goal-scoring charts and 42nd in the assists charts. I think you are mistaken if you think it's down to attitude. I watched the Arsenal v Chelsea game last night and he ran himself into the ground, so much so that he scarcely touched the ball in the 2nd half. He had a good 1st half, and a poor 2nd.

He was world class by any definition. But players can slide quickly. And he is. Thankfully we have less than 4 weeks to see what Pep will do. Setting aside the pros and cons, the fact that we do not have an agreement in place with Arsenal suggests to me he is not going anywhere this window. Southampton did not want to sell VVD in the Summer, but Liverpool obviously worked at it over the Summer, and the deal was in place. If we had a serious intention to bring him here, I think a deal would be done, and Arsenal would have had a deal in place. Obviously still plenty of time for things to change, but the fact that this is an old target suggests to me that some people are barking up the wrong tree.

That's a loaded question. Clearly if he would significantly strengthen the squad we would try and do it. The more basic questions are would he significantly strengthen the squad, and will Arsenal sell? Both are matters of opinion. Arsenal had no intention of selling in the Summer, because they did nothing about it until the last day and once again there's no sign of an incoming Arsenal player to replace him. If you see Arsenal agreeing a deal with Mahrez or Lemar etc, then I'd say that they are preparing to sell him.

We're 20 odd points above Arsenal. Logically, at the age of 29, he should be having an absolutely amazing season for us to consider him. He isn't, therefore the enthusiasm to sign him seems misplaced to me. At bayern, Pep signed Alonso. He was an old player, but an old player in his prime whose game, passing, was not going to be affected significantly by age (Gaz Baz). The argument for signing him is restricted to a short term possibility that we may never have an opportunity to win a domestic treble again and Sanchez may help us to do that. An extra pair of legs would help now, but even so I don't think he is enough of a match-winner or an outstanding player that justifies 3 years in our squad at the expense of alternatives in our youth team, and unidentified players in the future. For me players like Maitland-Niles, Ozil, Wilshere are more important for Arsenal. He's not even the best player at Arsenal any more and yet some City fans are convinced he's a vital piece of our jigsaw?
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I think he needs to retire from Chile to reduce the number of games and travel he has to go through. He has played so much for Chile, really intense football too.

He is a top quality player. His pace, power and movement is incredible and he knows Pep and would be a great asset as a false 9 chasing the ball down with Sane and Sterling. It is too soon to claim he has declined. Have you ever been in a position to leave your job, had something your heart was set on within your grasp and then have it taken away? He has still played well for Arsenal in a team with little direction or tactical shape. They have looked better recently but Ozil only looks their best player because Sanchez holds his shape and allows him to find gaps.

He could come to City and do nothing but run all game and with the plahers we have that is enough. He would be a great asset for us and who cares if it is only for a couple of seasons. We have plenty of young players for the future and they will improve seeing him in the squad.

An injury to Aguero now and we are struggling. Sterlings goals could dry up and then we will be bemoaning not bringing someone in. We are in an excellent position to win the league and should be getting to the league cup final and CL quarters. Bringing in Sanchez helps us rotate without a drop off in performance and he has the experience to help the team win trophies.
 
PEP: (On transfer window) I said many times, we're working now for the future. What happens, happens but I will work with the players I have.
 
Marvin said:
'Top quality' and 'World class player'. Easy to state, but his performances at Arsenal do not suggest that he would improve our squad in anything but numbers and reputation. He is 12th in league goal-scoring charts and 42nd in the assists charts. I think you are mistaken if you think it's down to attitude. I watched the Arsenal v Chelsea game last night and he ran himself into the ground, so much so that he scarcely touched the ball in the 2nd half. He had a good 1st half, and a poor 2nd.

He was world class by any definition. But players can slide quickly. And he is. Thankfully we have less than 4 weeks to see what Pep will do. Setting aside the pros and cons, the fact that we do not have an agreement in place with Arsenal suggests to me he is not going anywhere this window. Southampton did not want to sell VVD in the Summer, but Liverpool obviously worked at it over the Summer, and the deal was in place. If we had a serious intention to bring him here, I think a deal would be done, and Arsenal would have had a deal in place. Obviously still plenty of time for things to change, but the fact that this is an old target suggests to me that some people are barking up the wrong tree.

That's a loaded question. Clearly if he would significantly strengthen the squad we would try and do it. The more basic questions are would he significantly strengthen the squad, and will Arsenal sell? Both are matters of opinion. Arsenal had no intention of selling in the Summer, because they did nothing about it until the last day and once again there's no sign of an incoming Arsenal player to replace him. If you see Arsenal agreeing a deal with Mahrez or Lemar etc, then I'd say that they are preparing to sell him.

We're 20 odd points above Arsenal. Logically, at the age of 29, he should be having an absolutely amazing season for us to consider him. He isn't, therefore the enthusiasm to sign him seems misplaced to me. At bayern, Pep signed Alonso. He was an old player, but an old player in his prime whose game, passing, was not going to be affected significantly by age (Gaz Baz). The argument for signing him is restricted to a short term possibility that we may never have an opportunity to win a domestic treble again and Sanchez may help us to do that. An extra pair of legs would help now, but even so I don't think he is enough of a match-winner or an outstanding player that justifies 3 years in our squad at the expense of alternatives in our youth team, and unidentified players in the future. For me players like Maitland-Niles, Ozil, Wilshere are more important for Arsenal. He's not even the best player at Arsenal any more and yet some City fans are convinced he's a vital piece of our jigsaw?
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Agreed with all of this. But the biggest reason why we should pass on Sanchez is that it would hurt our squad's harmony. The togetherness amongst all the players has been a standout for me this season, and giving fewer minutes to Sterling, Sane, Bernardo would undoubtedly undermine that. Either Sanchez would demote one of Sterling & Sane to the bench (when they've both been far better than him this season) or we'd sign a 29 year-old for depth. Neither situation makes any sense
 
aguerooo93 said:
Agreed with all of this. But the biggest reason why we should pass on Sanchez is that it would hurt our squad's harmony. The togetherness amongst all the players has been a standout for me this season, and giving fewer minutes to Sterling, Sane, Bernardo would undoubtedly undermine that. Either Sanchez would demote one of Sterling & Sane to the bench (when they've both been far better than him this season) or we'd sign a 29 year-old for depth. Neither situation makes any sense
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You have no idea what it would do to squad harmony.

With Jesus out and Kun misfiring I would worry about Sterling / Sane getting reduced minutes and tbh, they could both do with competition and a rest now and again
 
aguerooo93 said:
Agreed with all of this. But the biggest reason why we should pass on Sanchez is that it would hurt our squad's harmony. The togetherness amongst all the players has been a standout for me this season, and giving fewer minutes to Sterling, Sane, Bernardo would undoubtedly undermine that. Either Sanchez would demote one of Sterling & Sane to the bench (when they've both been far better than him this season) or we'd sign a 29 year-old for depth. Neither situation makes any sense
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I think Aguero and Jesus would be looking at Sanchez over their shoulders more than Sane and Sterling will. And Sane has often suffered from being our only LW - we've frequently had to play Sterling or Jesus out there (where neither really fit as Delph doesn't overlap). Bernardo can compete against Silva and KDB for minutes too.
 
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