Liverpool (A) Post Match Thread.

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What pisses me off is that they shoot like demons v us, yet when they play Utd, they either miss easy chances or shoot straight at De Gea despite outplaying the Rags.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Better team? Give over we had as many chances as them and had actually scored. Running around a lot does not a better team make.
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I was sat level with the penalty area Liverpool were attacking in the first half of that game at the Etihad so had a close up of their play and I said to the person next to me that they were playing very well and were the better team but then we scored and as we know "goals change games".
 
LHarper said:
Less about the results and more about the way they disrupt our style. They were the better team in the 5-0 until Mane got sent off.

You're right though, if David and Jesus are playing (we really missed them both yesterday, especially Jesus with the way Aguero played) I would say we would be favourites to go through.
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Better team my arse...fucking hell mate we were 1 up and should have scored at least another goal before Mane got sent off.
We would have beat them regardless of whether Mane was sent off or not.
 
LHarper said:
Less about the results and more about the way they disrupt our style. They were the better team in the 5-0 until Mane got sent off.

You're right though, if David and Jesus are playing (we really missed them both yesterday, especially Jesus with the way Aguero played) I would say we would be favourites to go through.
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Jesus wept. We were 1-0 before mane got sent off. The only chance i remember them having all game was when salah was one on one with the keeper. Both teams had chances before mane got sent off.
There's saying, watch with your eyes not your ears!
 
Young Blue said:
A clear push in the back on Stones by Fermino for their second. KDB was awesome. If only Sergio had been on form, I thought his header had gone in when it hit the side netting, he's offside too often. Ederson can be forgiven one mis-kick he's been superb this season.
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Trust me mate if we would have scored that after the blatant push in the back and gone on to beat them it would have been on a loop on sly sports and they would have been pulling out all kinds of has beens to bemoan the fact it was indeed a foul.

Remember the Mane red card in the reverse fixture and how all kinds of 'pundits' came out in outrage and tried to change the rules of the game to support their claims that he shouldn't have been sent off.

I felt we were getting on top at that point but Marriner decided to let that happen but booked Fernandinho on the edge of our box 5 mins later for a very similar kind of 'coming together'.

Goals change games and the t**t that is Andre Marriner knows that.
 
OB1 said:
I assume it was a simple as he was feeling the worse for wear after the illness but could have come on and toughed it out if need be. Given how quickly the game went away from City, Pep presumably decided not to "risk" Dave.
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I don't understand anyone who doesn't understand that.
 
LHarper said:
Less about the results and more about the way they disrupt our style. They were the better team in the 5-0 until Mane got sent off.

You're right though, if David and Jesus are playing (we really missed them both yesterday, especially Jesus with the way Aguero played) I would say we would be favourites to go through.
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Our ongoing problem against Liverpool is that we are tailor made for the way they play. They’re all about insane pressing all over the pitch and lightning counter attacking, and when your own game is based on possession high up the pitch and you haven’t got any pace at the back (bar Walker), it’s a recipe for trouble. Where they’ve struggled under Klopp, and Rogers before him, is against muscular deep lying teams who play on the counter themselves - Burnley, Palace, Watford. We come gift wrapped and I would hate to draw them in the Chimps League. They’d be our most troublesome opponent
 
We lost too many one-on-one duels, especially upfront and in midfield, putting unwanted pressure on our defenders. Fernandinho having his worst game was bad timing unfortunately, but a lot more players were not performing to their standards. Liverpool deserved it (just) and it pains me we gifted them another field day with the substitution of Sterling the icing on the cake. Sterling should never ever start vs Liverpool again, but be sure to put him on when we are leading up there for a change.

I think Liverpool got the luck that warrented their drive to beat us. The 2nd goal came after two fauls (although Stones should really be stronger than this), the 3rd was a mishit and the 4th from a mishit by Ederson unfortunately. Apart from that we really looked disjointed after the 2nd and I never expected that from us. Not where we are now, and that could be a big worry. What we need is to respond in a very strong way, or the last 3 games could be the start of a blip. We are definitely not the finished article yet much better than what was on show yesterday.
 
So we have seen that dippers only scored when we are producing mistakes under their press, not if they are coming from a proper build-up, as they don't have the creative players (and I guess they will struggle against deep sitting teams).

We have been playing into their cards.
So we have to find ways to handle their press when we feel we are shaky in our passing (due to atmosphere from the crowd or our confidence a bit low).
Maybe it should be allowed to play long balls even if we give it away, just to avoid those situations that cost us 4 times.

Dippers have had a perfect day and you could also say they were lucky.
Ox's ball was cracking perfect, Mane's too.
Ederson took the wrong decision within a blink and Salah got it right on his foot.
Anf finally, Firmino needed a foul to get to the ball and take the lead in a moment,
when City seemed to take control again after a difficult first half.
(btw that goal wouldn't been given vs us at the Etihad and many other clear fouls only are possible on an away ground, fuckin refs)

Pep certainly must come to a similar analysis. We need more options to handle the press, especially on a bad day.
 
Exeter Blue I am here said:
Our ongoing problem against Liverpool is that we are tailor made for the way they play. They’re all about insane pressing all over the pitch and lightning counter attacking, and when your own game is based on possession high up the pitch and you haven’t got any pace at the back (bar Walker), it’s a recipe for trouble. Where they’ve struggled under Klopp, and Rogers before him, is against muscular deep lying teams who play on the counter themselves - Burnley, Palace, Watford. We come gift wrapped and I would hate to draw them in the Chimps League. They’d be our most troublesome opponent
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Spot on is that, spot on. Liverpool are faster pacier attackers than us, therefore the space we leave with us pressing is perfect for them to run into with three or four fast players. You need to have eyes in the back of your head in games like this not think that you are in space, totally different when KDB got the ball, he had great awareness.

As much as I admire Pep for sticking to the attacking play for every game, there are times like this when you have to be solid and kill the game to prevent them from pressing. Hate to say it but Rags last year killed the game with a 0-0 at anfield, totally frustrated them. I don't want to see a boring game, but id rather see 0-0 than let 4 in. You win trophies with our type of play but if you want to be the elite best you have to also adapt from time to time. Would Barca have let 4 in a few years ago when they where in their prime ?
 
IWasHere said:
Jesus wept. We were 1-0 before mane got sent off. The only chance i remember them having all game was when salah was one on one with the keeper. Both teams had chances before mane got sent off.
There's saying, watch with your eyes not your ears!
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Exactly mate...too many people listen to what the pundits and media say and then fall for the bullshit.
We were better than the dippers before Mane got sent off and the sending off just made it a bit easier but regardless we would have won in my opinion.
 
BlueAnorak said:
On the continent that would have been given as a foul but would never be given in an English league game. Stones simply wasn't strong enough.
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I have got to disagree, it was a clear push in his back. If he had fallen over like Otamendi does after he has been fouled he may have been given the free kick more easily, (it was like when a striker, who's been fouled, tries to stay on his feet and does not get a penalty.)

Marriner was heavily influenced by the home crowd, a push in the back like that, should be a foul in which ever country the game is played.
 
Young Blue said:
I have got to disagree, it was a clear push in his back. If he had fallen over like Otamendi does after he has been fouled he may have been given the free kick more easily, (it was like when a striker, who's been fouled, tries to stay on his feet and does not get a penalty.)

Marriner was heavily influenced by the home crowd, a push in the back like that, should be a foul in which ever country the game is played.
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He let a lot go for them & got the outcome he & his bosses wanted
 
Being rational we've looked a little jaded in recent matches and Liverpool always go to another level against us.
Probably a game too many when not at full tilt.
Would Mane be able to pick the top corner again, i doubt it.
 
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