City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

BluessinceHydeRoad said:
It simply will not work. It will achieve none of UEFA's aims - because they are the problem - or those of the cartel.
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The problem seems to be that instead of the main booty being shared by the original G members the PL seems to have acquired the lions share.
Honour amongst thieves.
And we thought that players such as Sanchez were greedy in preferring a bigger payday at United rather than a lesser goldmine with his original choice Pep.
 
JULES said:
well as I have said on here many times, here in south America we are no 1 news, all the sports programmes start with city, spend hours talking about city, then Chelsea, then a snippet on united and the arse. Liverpool and spuds are considered also rans. at the moment we have south America sewn up, how long that will last I don't know.
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Any idea on the state of City in Central America, ie Mexico?
As this would generally influence on into the US as well.
 
JASR said:
Any idea on the state of City in Central America, ie Mexico?
As this would generally influence on into the US as well.
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mexico is a long way from here, and I have not as yet met any Mexicans so couldn't comment, used to see city shirts in panama though and in costa rica we are well know because of wanchope who is still regarded as a national hero. as prem footy is fairly new to s/c America teams like Liverpool and spuds are not considered big as they have won fuck all in the last few years
 
I really see this us a Europe against the PL and not specifically aimed at City. What is the point of big TV revenues in the PL if we can only spend a net €90m.

This will lead to transfer fees going down so those record fees for Pogba and Lukaku will look increasingly over the top. And if you want a Mbappe or Neymar clubs would have to sell 5/6 players to raise sufficient funds to stay within the net spend.

It would mean that effectively nobody could buy a player from Spain as they put such high buyout clauses in contracts that no-one could pay the fee and stay within the rules. It will lead to players having to run down their contracts and the Spanish clubs getting no transfer fees as players will run down their contracts and then move to the PL as the wages that they could earn would be way higher than those in Spain for instance

This idea is protectionism on a European scale and it will be interesting to see what the PL do about it. We have Brexit and I think this is the European answer to curb the power of the PL.

I for one do not like the European competitions but I know our leaders do but to me I would much rather win the domestic league than the CL but it should be noted that UEFA would not want to lose the money raised by the British clubs being in their competition so the British clubs do have a strong hand here

It will be interesting to see what develops
 
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not long time ago there's a rumor about World Super League.
the clubs will be playing in major city all over the world.
the money which will generate from this competition will make UCL money like a peanuts.
after Brexit, maybe it's time for PL clubs leaving UCL for good.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...l-happen-in-a-few-years-says-director-of-epfl

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/world-super-league-clubs-europe-8795828

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...director-manchester-united-city-a7233496.html
 
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they should take them to court. Do it once and then the fuckers will squirm.
This is a La Liga/ Serie A /Bundesliga thing because they know if things keep going this way with the money from TV rights etc they won't be able to get within a bulls roar of the Premier League in terms of keeping/attracting the worlds best players.
Post Messi they are fucked if the likes of Neymar etc look elsewhere to play.
Fuck the ****s, they had it their own way for decades, now is the time to go in for the kill and bury them.
 
Let me get this straight, you have to have a net spend of no more than £90mill, no matter how big your club is? With the TV money most English clubs will be able to afford that so surely they will just pay more money in wages, signing on fees etc? No one outside England will want a long contract stopping them earning a lot more money in England, thus big names will continuously move for nothing! It will create an auction of wages rather than transfer fees. What would be the point of foreign clubs developing talent that moves on for nothing? It can't be as simple as that, but even if it wasn't I am confident our owners (and other ELP owners) will run rings around it.

On the other hand young developing talent in the UK could be used as a mean to offset spends above the limit (a bit like Chelsea are doing at the moment). At the end of the day money talks and whoever has the most wins, no matter what restrictions are put in place.
 
Mancity1980 said:
Let me get this straight, you have to have a net spend of no more than £90mill, no matter how big your club is? With the TV money most English clubs will be able to afford that so surely they will just pay more money in wages, signing on fees etc? No one outside England will want a long contract stopping them earning a lot more money in England, thus big names will continuously move for nothing! It will create an auction of wages rather than transfer fees. What would be the point of foreign clubs developing talent that moves on for nothing? It can't be as simple as that, but even if it wasn't I am confident our owners (and other ELP owners) will run rings around it.

On the other hand young developing talent in the UK could be used as a mean to offset spends above the limit (a bit like Chelsea are doing at the moment). At the end of the day money talks and whoever has the most wins, no matter what restrictions are put in place.
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Wait... I thought TV revenue does not count only revenue generated from the sale of other players?
 
avoidconfusion said:
Wait... I thought TV revenue does not count only revenue generated from the sale of other players?
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Yes but I think he's saying that a net loss of 90 million in terms of transfer fees only can be easily afforded by EPL clubs and they will also be able to pay the best wages because they have the funds from TV money.
 
Is it true that Bayern Munich have the highest commercial income in the World? Why don't their deals get looked at? Must be a coincidence that stakeholder's in the club just happen to be commercial investor's as well.
 
UEFA and the league's/clubs in their pocket analyse their strong points compared to ours and tailor rules to suit them. It's hypocrisy and disgusting.
Problem for them is that now we are strong in revenue streams and are so well established in most financial and on field areas that it will be hard to knock us off our perch.

This new FFP2 reeks of absolute desperation.
 
Samuel nailed it. It is transparent and IF UEFA goes after City, I have no doubt the hammer will come down on them from a slew of Adu Dhabi based lawyers.

It is getting beyond a joke.

Football is becoming awash in so many billions of Euros that the corruption is becoming overt, and no one seems willing to say a damned thing, lest they lose theirs. Well, those that already have billions and are investing it into a long term business model for success are not going to appreciate the goalposts being moved every time they get into the 18 yard box.

Like it or not, we have crashed the party and we aren’t leaving without a fight, because the whole investment is based on being integral to the festivities!
 
Cobwebcat said:
Yes but I think he's saying that a net loss of 90 million in terms of transfer fees only can be easily afforded by EPL clubs and they will also be able to pay the best wages because they have the funds from TV money.
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Errr it’s to stop another Leeds/ Portsmouth situation! Such desperation.
 
I'm more concerned what this will do to football, than what it will do to City.

I actually agree that transfer fees are reaching (have reached) the point where it has become utterly ridiculous and unsustainable, & I am also dead against City, Chelsea, Utd etc buying/enticing loads of kids to the clubs, with very little intention of playing them in the first team.

But the 'big' clubs have to have an advantage. That's the way football is.

So the 500k pw & ridiculous agent's fees which Utd are paying Sanchez, may just be the tip of the iceberg.

How do you get a player to sign for Real Madrid, when Everton can offer the same transfer fee ? Pay his agent 50 mil & give him 700k pw in wages.

All the money goes out of football. Which doesn't seem to bother UEFA, as they penalise Sheikh Mansour for putting money in, but help the Glazers stay in power at Utd.
 
Neville Kneville said:
I'm more concerned what this will do to football, than what it will do to City.

I actually agree that transfer fees are reaching (have reached) the point where it has become utterly ridiculous and unsustainable, & I am also dead against City, Chelsea, Utd etc buying/enticing loads of kids to the clubs, with very little intention of playing them in the first team.

But the 'big' clubs have to have an advantage. That's the way football is.

So the 500k pw & ridiculous agent's fees which Utd are paying Sanchez, may just be the tip of the iceberg.

How do you get a player to sign for Real Madrid, when Everton can offer the same transfer fee ? Pay his agent 50 mil & give him 700k pw in wages.

All the money goes out of football. Which doesn't seem to bother UEFA, as they penalise Sheikh Mansour for putting money in, but help the Glazers stay in power at Utd.
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Re last para the majority of owners surely invested to get money out of their investment that they could use elsewhere?.

Our owner continues to invest because our business plan requires further topups until we reach the next phase whereas others in the G14 just want the global pot to be shared equally hence the FFP barrier to entry.
Unfortunately for them we continue to be successful both financially and on the field so we are forcing others to spend just to keep up which was not in the plan so few want this to happen because it reduces the dividends they can get and threatens everything they aspired to do via the cartel.

Currently the pot is biased towards PL clubs so they are redrafting it with equality for the top clubs to be the continuing aim. Still illegal in the real world but seemingly cartels of this nature are untouchable from a legal point of view.

Just my opinion as a non expert.
 
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