Media Thread 2017/18

[Dave S]

Are we talking about Matthew Syed?! He has written great articles about Pep, you know:

Manchester City recognise the value of space under the guidance of grandmaster Pep Guardiola

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...idance-of-grandmaster-pep-guardiola-r5snv7hdj

I'll take your word for it. I don't click on media links and haven't bought a paper for 30yrs. I came to the conclusion long ago that the opinions of the media are worthless. Just my opinion of course.

 

[crazyg]

Are you sure you are not mixing up ideologue with intellectual?

Deferently not.

 

[San Tropez]

I'll take your word for it. I don't click on media links and haven't bought a paper for 30yrs. I came to the conclusion long ago that the opinions of the media are worthless. Just my opinion of course.

There are a lot of ideologues in the media, incl sport media but people like Matthew Syed are more interested in the abstract side of things. At least that's what I think.

However, I am truly shocked to discover he was a mouthpiece for Sampson in the Aluko case and that has put me off him for good.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

Oh wow, that's shocking. Syed is dead to me now.

Anyway Syed's work is just a rip-off/rehash of Nicholas Nassim Taleb and Malcolm Gladwell's ideas.

The point I was making previously was specifically about his writing style, nonsense that some people expect him to write like Jamie Jackson or Neil Ashton - something he could not do if he tried to.

Syed was just a boring table tennis player, I don't know if he has paperwork to suggest he can be a journalist but degrees must have gone downhill.

 

[Healdplace]

You seriously need telling to not read that rag rag?

It is part of my job to read them all. But these were particularly vicious and over the top and excessive in number today.

 

[San Tropez]

...was a table tennis player

Amongst other things.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

All the more baffling seeing as his father is/was from Pakistan.

My reference is to the tabloids and Neil Ashton in the Sun rather than Syed's piece.

 

[cookster]

Anyone wanting to get really angry just get today's Sun. It is absurdly OTT against City.

Four separate articles having a go!

Starts on page 17 as a news story 'Quadruple my arse' - (seriously that is the heading!) Which says that is why Aguero 'lashed out at a fan'. It adds some of the other things in the body of the article but the two photos are clearly designed to show Sergio as the one to blame. It says City are considering legal action. And that both clubs have been charged by the FA.

But nowhere mentions that the FA found Sergio innocent of any wrongdoing - a fairly critical fact that this story surely needed. As it is likely the only one non sports fans will read being located in the news section.

Then on page 48 we get 'Poor by Pep' from Dave Kidd saying he 'sarcastically pointed out' that Wigan had one shot on target (when it was two) it 'added to an air of entitlement that makes him difficult to love'.

Oh and he also suggests City are the second dirtiest team in the league (!!!). Because Delph's red was our ninth under Pep implying some link there. Completely irrelevant how many of those are widely regarded as unjustified or the provocation unpunished from other teams.

But his ludicrous rant ends by saying to City and Pep we should provide 'A little less moralising, pleading the victim and compiling dossiers for the FA' .

Then on page 50 we get 'Warnock puts boot in to Pep' lauding how that odious manager is crowing over Monday night and how Pep 'gets away with it' because he 'has a go at everybody when things aren't going well'.

This piece quite amazingly ends with the claim that 'Delph's tackle was ten time's worse than Bennett's but nothing much was said about it'.

The very next page (51) we have Neil Ashton with 'Sneering sarcastic n'Snippy - Guardiola bitching is not wise, classy or dignified'. That's just the heading!

With a page full - including a side bar illustrated by him appearing to attack Cook in the tunnel - headed 'His Crimesheet'. Seriously CRIMESHEET! Despite again the FA not acting on the matter and Pep not having had any serious punishments for all these 'crimes'. Of course, conveniently not mentioned.

The piece says he is feeling the pressure - which is what all these nasty little writers clearly want to try to make him do.

You have to get to the back page for a small piece 'Aguero in the clear'. And even that presents it as him being allowed to play Sunday - 'despite..,..' followed by yet another account and the claim that the FA will write to him to 'remind him of his responsibilities'.

Presumably like not getting injured by raging fans who should have been allowed nowhere near him? Though this is not mentioned, of course.

It is high time we acted against this kind of thing.

Those articles clearly cross the line from any kind of fair comment.

Mate just sent me a text with a link to an article on the Sun, not City related. I've not been on there for ages but couldn't believe how many anti-City and anti-Pep article there was on the "Sports" pages.

Frozen face aka Neil Ashton takes centre stage with a "comments" features that is full on contradictions. Won't be visiting that shite again, even by accident.

 

[journolud]

Oh wow, that's shocking. Syed is dead to me now.

Anyway Syed's work is just a rip-off/rehash of Nicholas Nassim Taleb and Malcolm Gladwell's ideas.

The point I was making previously was specifically about his writing style, nonsense that some people expect him to write like Jamie Jackson or Neil Ashton - something he could not do if he tried to.

I'm a bit confused because you seemed to be extolling the virtues of his writing style as an intellectual but now you are saying he's a bit shit. Would that still have been your opinion if he hadn't been outed as an unapologetic mouthpiece for Sampson?

 

[Mikejl]

The fact it needs explaining to you, underlines my point.

As the kids (probably don’t) say I just lolled...

 

[San Tropez]

I'm a bit confused because you seemed to be extolling the virtues of his writing style as an intellectual but now you are saying he's a bit shit. Would that still have been your opinion if he hadn't been outed as an unapologetic mouthpiece for Sampson?

I am not and have not at any time conflated those two things, which are separate and distinct from each other. Unfortunately they are also not mutually exclusive.

So I am familiar with his non journalistic writing. I was not however familiar with his other writing as a journalist that implies "bigotry". I will try to locate these Aluko articles to make a better judgment for myself.

To answer your question, had I known he is *misogynistic/bigot etc then I would not have read his work in the first place and so would not know anything about his writing style.
Point I was arguing earlier is that you cannot expect e.g. a uni professor to write like the writers of the MEN. It has nothing to do with pomposity or being full of oneself. But it is entirely possible to be intellectual and still be a shit character. I was not aware of the "shit character".

* I cannot be certain that he is any of these things but I will look for the articles people have mentioned.

 

[journolud]

I am not and have not at any time conflated those two things, which are separate and distinct from each other. Unfortunately they are also not mutually exclusive.

So I am familiar with his non journalistic writing. I was not however familiar with his other writing as a journalist that implies "bigotry". I will try to locate these Aluko articles to make a better judgment for myself.

To answer your question, had I known he is *misogynistic/bigot etc then I would not have read his work in the first place and so would not know anything about his writing style.
Point I was arguing earlier is that you cannot expect e.g. a uni professor to write like the writers of the MEN. It has nothing to do with pomposity or being full of oneself. But it is entirely possible to be intellectual and still be a shit character. I was not aware of the "shit character".

* I cannot be certain that he is any of these things but I will look for the articles people have mentioned.

Ooh get you!

No really thanks for the clarification

 

[SebastianBlue]

Mate just sent me a text with a link to an article on the Sun, not City related. I've not been on there for ages but couldn't believe how many anti-City and anti-Pep article there was on the "Sports" pages.

Frozen face aka Neil Ashton takes centre stage with a "comments" features that is full on contradictions. Won't be visiting that shite again, even by accident.

Surprised you could even find the anti-City articles given that website has the design sense of a blind badger attempting to put together an Ikea media unit that’s missing a few screws and the hex key.

 

[jrb]

The Rag loving Daily Fail has got no other headline to write about United on a dreadful performance against Seville.

Manchester United fans rage at Paul Pogba omission *and bait City with Will Grigg song* as Sir Alex Ferguson goes on tour: FIVE THINGS YOU MISSED from Manchester United's goalless draw with Sevilla

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Surprised you could even find the anti-City articles given that website has the design sense of a blind badger attempting to put together an Ikea media unit that’s missing a few screws and the hex key.

Looks like the same company that does the city website.....

 

[SebastianBlue]

Looks like the same company that does the city website.....

Speaking of which, have you ever scrolled all the way down to the bottom of the main page of the club website?

Apparently Denayer, Angelino, Maffeo, Mangala, Garcia, Moreno, and Roberts are all in the first team.

And we thought we have a shallow squad during the injury crisis!

 

[Stevieatlasblue]

The Rag loving Daily Fail has got no other headline to write about United on a dreadful performance against Seville.

Manchester United fans rage at Paul Pogba omission *and bait City with Will Grigg song* as Sir Alex Ferguson goes on tour: FIVE THINGS YOU MISSED from Manchester United's goalless draw with Sevilla

I find it funny that they sing about this liccle irrelevant club city. It's only poor liccle city. It's hurting them so much haha

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Speaking of which, have you ever scrolled all the way down to the bottom of the main page of the club website?

Apparently Denayer, Angelino, Maffeo, Mangala, Garcia, Moreno, and Roberts are all in the first team.

And we thought we have a shallow squad during the injury crisis!

I’ve never been able to scroll anywhere on our website!!

 

[casserole of nonsense]

Dont' mind him, it's just his vernacular.

Alas, I thought we'd seen the end of this sort of disrespectful motherfuckery from you.

 

[mat]

Syed was just a boring table tennis player, I don't know if he has paperwork to suggest he can be a journalist but degrees must have gone downhill.

He has a hard on for Team Sky, their official mouthpiece against anyone who questions their Lance Armstrong techniques.