World Cup 2018 | 24th June | England vs Panama Match Thread, KO 13:00 (BST)

Marvin said:
There was very little football played against Panama. It was two pens, two set pieces, a deflection and a long distance goal. The possession football was none-existent.

There's no reason why England can't do well and surprise people, but I haven't seen any evidence yet that they are about to.

Kane does not have the creativity of some forward players but he's there to finish chances, and there aren't many better goal scorers in the game. I don't see how anyone can even question that given his record in the Premier League and in internationals. The question is do England have the team to support him.
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YAWN
 
Rolee said:
Missed sitter or great save?

Lukaku against City in the derby at their place, missed sitter or great save from Ederson?

Lingard was praised for his Tunisia performance, missed sitter or good movement to be there? I know how that performance and that chance in particular would've been received were it Sterling.

The best bit of football England produced against Panama had Sterling right at the heart of it.
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Total 100% sitter all day long. Regardless of what anybody else has done. He needs to put that away. Shocking miss and imagine it had happened in an important game and Stovnes wasn’t there to save his blushes you can’t give people a bye because they play for you.

It was a sitter.
 
Magicpole said:
Total 100% sitter all day long. Regardless of what anybody else has done. He needs to put that away. Shocking miss and imagine it had happened in an important game and Stovnes wasn’t there to save his blushes you can’t give people a bye because they play for you.

It was a sitter.
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So no credit to keeper?
 
Magicpole said:
I hear what you are saying, I think Rashford is totally over rated. The situation though still remains, Sterling has to improve for him. He hasn’t played anywhere in the post code of well yet.

If he does he shuts everyone up and keeps his place. He needs to step up. And people mentioned his missed off side sitter, because he didn’t know it was and totally fucked it up.

He has always had a few sitters in his locker. As you start to play real teams he will be required if you are to have any chance. On his current performances he won’t provide the edge needed.

Again, if anybody disagrees, watch both games again and imagine he was a Utd player.
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He played well first half hour of first game went missing then.

Played well overall against Panama.
 
For my money the Lingard goal doesn't happen without Sterling. Alli, Rashford, Kane, Lingard himself would have just turned and ran, not even considered the lay off. That's the reason Sterling is playing for me. He's the only player looking to break the lines and create space. I believe Wagner was explaining how hard it is to prepare to face Sterling as he takes up such good positions and leaves space for others. Personally he was making some great runs and got himself on the last shoulder, a decent ball and he's in. The ball never comes.

A goal would do him wonders. But those who matter are seeing what he brings.
 
Magicpole said:
I hear what you are saying, I think Rashford is totally over rated. The situation though still remains, Sterling has to improve for him. He hasn’t played anywhere in the post code of well yet.

If he does he shuts everyone up and keeps his place. He needs to step up. And people mentioned his missed off side sitter, because he didn’t know it was and totally fucked it up.

He has always had a few sitters in his locker. As you start to play real teams he will be required if you are to have any chance. On his current performances he won’t provide the edge needed.

Again, if anybody disagrees, watch both games again and imagine he was a Utd player.
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Sterling is never going to shine in this team with this formation. He is a winger playing as a striker in a team that creates very little except from set pieces. He needs balls to run onto and England just don't have the players to provide them.

Even Kane hasn't really been able to get into games very much despite his goals. There just isn't the creativity in the CM or at FB to really bring him into play that often. He's only really offered any threat from set pieces and he's a better player than that.
 
daztrueblue91 said:
But the key factor in Sterling’s performances is that he’s got a section of the nation wanting him to fail. He fails to beat a man and he gets slagged off, Rashford does it and it’s good forward thinking.
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this key factor isn't just aimed at Sterling, some on here want Rashford, Young, Lingard and others to fail and will abuse them 'Rashford' etc, alot of my hammers mates cant stand Kane and will give him sh*t if he doesn''t score - fans with club loyalty specs on are a problem and help whip up negativity, far more than the media does in todays social media world.
 
Magicpole said:
I hear what you are saying, I think Rashford is totally over rated. The situation though still remains, Sterling has to improve for him. He hasn’t played anywhere in the post code of well yet.

If he does he shuts everyone up and keeps his place. He needs to step up. And people mentioned his missed off side sitter, because he didn’t know it was and totally fucked it up.

He has always had a few sitters in his locker. As you start to play real teams he will be required if you are to have any chance. On his current performances he won’t provide the edge needed.

Again, if anybody disagrees, watch both games again and imagine he was a Utd player.
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My issue with the offside chance isnt the fact that Sterling missed a sitter. It’s the fact it’s been reported as it could have cost England when the fact of the matter is that it couldn’t have cost England anything.

What a lot of people fail to take into account is the position Sterling is actually playing. Kane, despite being on fire at the minute, isn’t actually contributing much to our build-up play. That isn’t a criticism of Kane as he can sit on his arse for 89 minutes for all I care as long as he score the winner. However, it results in the fact that Sterling is having to play much deeper to link the midfield and attack.

Lingard has been fantastic in the opening two games and many of his good play has been linked with Raheem. Yet no one focuses on that side of our play.

People seem to think it’s black and white and we’ll play the exact same way if Rashford or Vardy play ahead of Raz and it will lead to England having a greater goal threat. But the reality is that Vardy and Rashford are better deployed further up the pitch. Vardy’s link up play is non-existent and Rashford’s strengths are his pace and directness.

I do wonder how dropping Raz would impact our style of play.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
this key factor isn't just aimed at Sterling, some on here want Rashford, Young, Lingard and others to fail and will abuse them 'Rashford' etc, alot of my hammers mates cant stand Kane and will give him sh*t if he doesn''t score - fans with club loyalty specs on are a problem and help whip up negativity, far more than the media does in todays social media world.
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There’s a fundamental difference between rival fans giving a player shit and pretty much the whole nation.

I’m yet to see Harry Kane or Rashford universally booed up and down the country like Raz has been.
 
Marvin said:
There was very little football played against Panama. It was two pens, two set pieces, a deflection and a long distance goal. The possession football was none-existent.
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So you're waiting for them to walk it into the net before you give them any credit?

One of the penalties was won with an inch perfect pass.

One of the set pieces involved a clever move that had been rehearsed on the training ground.

The 'long distance goal' involved a neat exchange of passes and a great strike.

The deflected goal came at the end of 25 uninterrupted passes.

If you don't think any football was played to create those chances you must have been watching a different game to me.
 
Magicpole said:
No, he shouldn’t have had an earthy. The ball was headed straight at him. He didn’t need to move, it was a sitter.
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Sitter it may be but that's bullshit that the keeper didn't have to move, he moved to the near post when Henderson flicked it and recovered well to be where he was when Sterling headed it.
 
Rolee said:
Sitter it may be but that's bullshit that the keeper didn't have to move, he moved to the near post when Henderson flicked it and recovered well to be where he was when Sterling headed it.
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Semantics. He should have buried it. That doesn’t change no matter how much you like him. Or, it shouldn’t.
 
JimB said:
Indeed, I am a Spurs fan!

As I said, if Kane isn't working as tirelessly for England as he does for Spurs, then it will only be because Southgate has asked him to play in a different way. Still.........better than putting him on the wing, as Hodgson basically did at the last tournament!
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He hasn't been the same since his injury. He looks lethargic to me. Hes always so involved in build up with Spurs and there is so much to his game. Either way hes doing his job snd top scorer at the world cup. Imagine if he been given them two penalties against Tunisia? He would more than likely have 7 goals under his belt

This is a tough ask for all the boys next match. Belgians for me have the best team on paper, an absolutely brilliant team. I'd like a thrilling game with some goals. I don't expect us to win but it would be fun if we can give them a game. It's still one of the poorest squads I've seen from us in quite a while
 
Rolee said:
Perhaps he should've but it's still bullshit to suggest the keeper didn't have to move.
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We are going around in circles, the keeper should have had Fuck all to do with it. The fact he did shows how bad a miss it was. Watch it again. Put Rooney in the exact same position then tell me you would have praised the keeper.
 
Magicpole said:
We are going around in circles, the keeper should have had Fuck all to do with it. The fact he did shows how bad a miss it was. Watch it again. Put Rooney in the exact same position then tell me you would have praised the keeper.
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1. It wasn't a miss

2. Yes i would've praised the keeper
 
schfc6 said:
For my money the Lingard goal doesn't happen without Sterling. Alli, Rashford, Kane, Lingard himself would have just turned and ran, not even considered the lay off. That's the reason Sterling is playing for me. He's the only player looking to break the lines and create space. I believe Wagner was explaining how hard it is to prepare to face Sterling as he takes up such good positions and leaves space for others. Personally he was making some great runs and got himself on the last shoulder, a decent ball and he's in. The ball never comes.

A goal would do him wonders. But those who matter are seeing what he brings.
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Sorry, but this simply isn't true. No need to compensate for the gash that gets talked about Sterling by making him out to be uniquely creative and dismissing the creative abilities of England's other attacking players. Two wrongs etc....
 
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