Media persecution of Raheem Sterling

Marvin said:
The media killed him pre-tournament, but I think a few City fans are just putting a tick where media reports stick a cross

There are two separate issues.

  1. The criticism and what underlies it - now and in the past.

  2. His form for England which has been poor at the World Cup.
If was an England fan, I'd probably want Vardy starting or Rashford. England have a fantastic set-piece routine going on. That doesn't suit Sterling. They also lack midfielders who can play the little one-twos around the box that Sterling thrives on.

Nothing gave me greater pleasure last season than to see Sterling score goals for City, but I think some of the disappointment from England fans at Sterling's performance is genuine and without any angle or side to it. If I were Southgate I'd be torn about whether to carry on playing Sterling hoping that a goal would kick start him and lift him, or play someone like Vardy or Rashford. Rashford's finishing is also poor, but he is fearless and reasonable in the air. Let's face it 75% of the balls going into the England forwards are high crosses or free-kicks and corners. This does not suit Sterling.

Sterling had a mixed game against Sweden. it was possibly his best game of the tournament, but in no game did he come close to the level he reached at times for City.
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1. Apart from a half hour in the opening game his form has been fine.

2. Why change a winning team?
 
peace frog said:
we don't have the players to see and deliver to sterling's movement ,our goals except a couple have come from set pieces ,southgate wants to play the possession way but doesn't have the players , put modric/silva into the midfield then sterlings umpteen runs would of been picked out , it isn't a sterling problem it is a lack of quality behind where the problem lies,how any fucker says put vardy or rashford instead of sterling I don't know ,yes put them on with a few minutes to go because sterling has run the oppo ragged
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As I said before, we could still win games with Vardy and Kane up front. If allardyce was in charge, that’s the route we’d adopt. Playing the percentages and hoping for defensive mistakes from the opposition.
I still think Sterling is not being utilised in his best position though. I’d play him on the right of a front 3 with walker as wingback, stones, cahill and mcguire at the back.
 
Marvin said:
Anything but goals, and that is a problem for a forward.

All I am saying is that he is not playing as well for England as he does for City. You should try reading what I say before responding like that.
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He's half right. Goal contribution is important. But it is not the priority facet that city look for in their forwards. As I've previously said Aguero could not get into the team some time ago because of peps concern that if he wasnt scoring, he was offering the team precious little else. That had changed with aguero. You only have to look at the forwards we have been linked with in hazard to know it's a lot more than goals city are after. Hazard and Jesus are not 30 goals a season players but there movement/ essentially f the false 9 position s they take up, dragging defences out of shape, feeding in other players provides their respective teams with the platform to help themselves to a shitload of goals. Pep had been clear. It's all about the team.
 
Marvin said:
Which is 50% of what I said. City don't play like England. England are playing set-pieces and most of the deliveries into the box are high balls. That's not Sterling's game and he's also clearly lost confidence. I can't take anyone seriously who is not prepared to accept that Sterling is playing under par for England, and struggling to score goals.
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hes playing under par because a hell of a lot of his runs aren't being seen , hes not able to do what he does for city, hes running teams ragged getting those freekicks or pulling people all over the place,as for being taken seriously by you marvin I couldnt give a fuck ,you think rashford should play instead
 
93.01 said:
He's half right. Goal contribution is important. But it is not the priority facet that city look for in their forwards. As I've previously said Aguero could not get into the team some time ago because of peps concern that if he wasnt scoring, he was offering the team precious little else. That had changed with aguero. You only have to look at the forwards we have been linked with in hazard to know it's a lot more than goals city are after. Hazard and Jesus are not 30 goals a season players but there movement/ essentially f the false 9 position s they take up, dragging defences out of shape, feeding in other players provides their respective teams with the platform to help themselves to a shitload of goals. Pep had been clear. It's all about the team.
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he last scored for England in 2015 almost 3 years ago.

I do not appreciate other contributors trying to make out I am anti-Sterling. Unfortunately some people are not as reasonable as you are. I am not starting another running argument on Bluemoon about this topic of any other. Frankly other people are not up to it
 
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
Sir Geoff Hurst knows the score: "Raheem Sterling was terrific. He had a little bit of criticism but he performed well. He did more than the other games, he was key in turning the defence, looked enormously fit right throughout the game."
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B*llocks. What does a World Cup Winner know about winning World Cups. Steve down the boozer who once had a trial for Oldham Town in 1992 and watches Match of the Day sometimes knows what everyone knows. Sterling is rubbish and needs to be replaced by the Wythenshawe Pele immediately.
 
Marvin said:
Anything but goals, and that is a problem for a forward.

All I am saying is that he is not playing as well for England as he does for City. You should try reading what I say before responding like that.
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I unfortunately did read what you'd posted, you want Rashford or Vardy to start instead of Sterling because he hasn't scored yet countless others and i have pointed out that even though we'd also like him to have scored his contribution to the team is vital. Not one person has intimated that he's playing as well for England as he does for City, but then again no one is saying Kane or Alli are playing as well as they do for Spurs.

Marvin said:
he last scored for England in 2015 almost 3 years ago.

I do not appreciate other contributors trying to make out I am anti-Sterling. Unfortunately some people are not as reasonable as you are. I am not starting another running argument on Bluemoon about this topic of any other. Frankly other people are not up to it
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Who's said you're anti-Sterling? I'm saying you can't / don't see the bigger picture, it's not all about individual players scoring, some players sacrifice themselves for the team by making intelligent runs, something i also think Lingard happens to do to great effect.

Rashford and Vardy have both come on or played part in games and have done absolutely fuck all to justify replacing Sterling.
 
Is the point that the chances that he missed would simply not have been there to anyone else if he had not been playing ?
In other words his presence generates chances.
 
SilverFox2 said:
Is the point that the chances that he missed would simply not have been there to anyone else if he had not been playing ?
In other words his presence generates chances.
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Another good point. Rashford or Vardy may not have even been in those positions in the first place, something i said after he missed chance after chance in the derby, he's got different movement to other players and creates is own chances.
 
You know what. Sterlings such an emotive subject at the moment that its easy to become entrenched in one point of view or another. To be honest even though we may disagree on some things, what's clear is that when it comes to his football or form, views like yours are fundamental in making sure Sterling or others dont get a free ride. For instance the two or three one on ones he missed in the Derby, it fucked us and he does need to improve tjat sidesof his game. No doubt. Its just a bit of balanced circumspect view I seek really, because for every one, two or three bad games he's had there are tons of games in which his form and contribution have been outstanding.
 
93.01 said:
You know what. Sterlings such an emotive subject at the moment that its easy to become entrenched in one point of view or another. To be honest even though we may disagree on some things, what's clear is that when it comes to his football or form, views like yours are fundamental in making sure Sterling or others dont get a free ride. For instance the two or three one on ones he missed in the Derby, it fucked us and he does need to improve tjat sidesof his game. No doubt. Its just a bit of balanced circumspect view I seek really, because for every one, two or three bad games he's had there are tons of games in which his form and contribution have been outstanding.
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its ok you can say toms a **** if you want to :)
 
93.01 said:
You know what. Sterlings such an emotive subject at the moment that its easy to become entrenched in one point of view or another. To be honest even though we may disagree on some things, what's clear is that when it comes to his football or form, views like yours are fundamental in making sure Sterling or others dont get a free ride. For instance the two or three one on ones he missed in the Derby, it fucked us and he does need to improve tjat sidesof his game. No doubt. Its just a bit of balanced circumspect view I seek really, because for every one, two or three bad games he's had there are tons of games in which his form and contribution have been outstanding.
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City fans see Sterling getting abused, and rightly defend him but some refuse to acknowledge that his game for England is way below the level he produced for City last season. His finishing at City was at times poor and this is the area of his game that he needs to work on. There is no doubt about that. If he reproduced his England form in a City shirt, he'd have been dropped so I don't think City fans are being entirely honest with themselves or respectful of other peoples opinions. Of course as City fans we want Sterling to keep getting starts hoping that in the next game he scores and puts this chapter behind him.
 
The question is though, of England's attacking players, who is playing for England, as they do for their club? Kane can hardly score from open play, lingaard and Ali have not set the world slight. And the less said the better about vardy and Rashford.
 
One goal scored from open play, I think. So I don't understand why the form of other English players aren't being questioned or held to such scrutiny. Further I don't understand why above all other sttackingaplayers in the team, it is sterling who should make way.
 
It's gone too far now. Even the Financial Times are wading in. Enough's enough.

 
93.01 said:
Don't be so naive. I always find it interesting that many are quick to accept that the treatment sterling is receiving is down to everything and anything other than racism. They don't ask for any empirical evidence to support the comfortable explanations driven by the media which they unwittingly perpetuate. But when racism is thrown into the mix it's a different story. I'll point you in the direction of how to obtain the evidence. Open your fucking eyes and read.
Then critically review what you think is right against alternative views and information which may make you feel uncomfortable.
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so your effectively saying that if he were white, he would be not getting any media grief - and you call me naive
 
mosssideblue said:
so your effectively saying that if he were white, he would be not getting any media grief - and you call me naive
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Without a doubt. What he is enduring is unparalleled. And he's not screwed another team members wife, bit anyone, or stuck a cigar in a team mates eye. Yet we are entering year 3 of the campaign against him. The only caveat to what I'm saying is that I strongly believe that had he gone to it's, half this shit wouldn't be happening. But the fact that he went to the "Arab", club I think reinforced the media's approach to the lad.
 
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