Religion

tonea2003 said:
not sure how you can experience the love of a god, and know it is from a god, but i'm willing to listen and i agree i don't think you would be able to prove it
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Somethings you know by what you experience. Did someone tell you had unconditional love for your partner or did what you experienced lead you to that knowledge and conclusion.
 
Damocles said:
That was a compliment mate! I'm enjoying these posts and wish we had more of them.on the forum
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Thanks - yes I would enjoy this too. Not that others 'have to' - just that I find that, at the very least, it enriches my enjoyment and appreciation of what goes on when City take to the pitch. Might even learn something. And I am not a professional athlete, haven't worked in sports management but somehow it's like wow, the work the players, management, support staff etc must go through in order to create this beautiful spectacle for 90+ minutes on a pitch. Not once, not twice but over and over. All the while if some people perceive they are failing then....well have a look a the match day thread on this forum, the comments on player threads, the articles from the 'experts' in the press. That, for me, is quite something. People might say 'oh, they earn a lot of money for this - even 'I pay my money for a ticket, so have a right to abuse them.' But still, who are the ones that constantly have to step up to the plate' if you'll excuse my mixed metaphors.

So thanks once again. And, yes, I would enjoy this sort of exploration. So it kind of comes down to 'well, if I'm not prepared to give it a go this way, then I can't much complain if others don't either. If it turns out to be a dead end, then so be it.
 
yep said:
Somethings you know by what you experience. Did someone tell you had unconditional love for your partner or did what you experienced lead you to that knowledge and conclusion.
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what experience? and i'm referring to a god by the way, i am assuming that is what you are intimating

are you are trying to say the two are the same thus if one is real then so must the other
 
arfurclue said:
Religion, Spirituality, Creative Arts. Can they have a role to play with/in football, City, bluemoon forum. I believe that they can, though I may be wrong. So let's take a look at some aspects.

But with Bluemoon? I don't know but over time it has seemed apparent that any mention of Religion, Spirituality, Creative Arts brings out some folks that feel the need to
shout that anyone that believes or practices this sort of thing is cuntish, deluded, mentally ills, hate filled, morally degenerate etc etc. So it seems kind of closed, to say the least. But what I find curious is why these same folk don't put there money where their mouth is and show this disgust by, for example, not going to games. Or, if they do go to games, then at least take a flag that states that Sterling, Jesus and Ederson are deluded cunts for being practicing christians. Or, better yet, hire a plane to fly over the stadium during a game with a banner that states 'We, the true, sane fans of Manchester City hereby declare that our owners are mentally ill, hate filled fuckwits just by dint of being muslims.' see how that goes, right? At least it would be honest?
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That would have to be a long fuckin banner.
 
tonea2003 said:
what experience? and i'm referring to a god by the way

are you are trying to say the two are the same thus if one is real then so must the other
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There was a time when you did not know your partner, there was a time when you did not love your partner. Did you give yourself the gift of loving your partner? What made you come to the conclusion that you loved them? Looks might have attracted them to you but initially you did not love them. There was a moment when you knew you loved them. What caused this knowledge?
 
tonea2003 said:
again you jump straight to worst case senario i.e. force/offensive

where i have i said what you write is offensive,

of course i look at art, some i like some i don't but this is veering away from the topic isn't it?
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Ok. first off, If I have truly misread your intent, then I apologise. Having said that I think it is also fair to say that on this thread - and others preceding- there are folk
who try to try to shut this kind of talk down and/or become abusive. Insisting that anyone that speaks of Religion must be this that and the other.

Secondly, ok if this feels off topic for you then I can accept this. However, for me, the shared essence of religion, spirituality and art is really that of opening to a way of genuine creativity. This involves going through a process of transformation which can be quite difficult at times, to say the least. To go back to the earlier post - I have found that if ones tries to be just logical this can become quite rigid, mechanical even. If one tries to stay with to stay with just feeling this can be quite wishy washy, like 'yeah, whatever. Yet when these two qualities come to work together then it is truly wonderful. The only thing is....there comes a point where the 'specialness' of 'me' - that I have been quite proud of - has to be let go of in order to open to a deeper union. That can involve a bit of soul searching, a touch of tantrums within.
 
yep said:
There was a time when you did not know your partner, there was a time when you did not love your partner. Did you give yourself the gift of loving your partner? What made you come to the conclusion that you loved them? Looks might have attracted them to you but initially you did not love them. There was a moment when you knew you loved them. What caused this knowledge?
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the list is not exhaustive but below is typical of what happens

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...omance-relationships-attraction-a7944751.html

can you get to your point of where the two are alike
 
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arfurclue said:
Ok. first off, If I have truly misread your intent, then I apologise. Having said that I think it is also fair to say that on this thread - and others preceding- there are folk
who try to try to shut this kind of talk down and/or become abusive. Insisting that anyone that speaks of Religion must be this that and the other.

Secondly, ok if this feels off topic for you then I can accept this. However, for me, the shared essence of religion, spirituality and art is really that of opening to a way of genuine creativity. This involves going through a process of transformation which can be quite difficult at times, to say the least. To go back to the earlier post - I have found that if ones tries to be just logical this can become quite rigid, mechanical even. If one tries to stay with to stay with just feeling this can be quite wishy washy, like 'yeah, whatever. Yet when these two qualities come to work together then it is truly wonderful. The only thing is....there comes a point where the 'specialness' of 'me' - that I have been quite proud of - has to be let go of in order to open to a deeper union. That can involve a bit of soul searching, a touch of tantrums within.
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i agree with the spirit(no sure that the right word :-)) of your second paragraph that each one of us has a bit of logic and emotion in us all, that's what makes us individual
 
tonea2003 said:
there is a reason you wont answer, thanks mate that's all i need, cheers
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Sent too soon.That was me on my S8+ instead of my iPad. I am sure some of these manifestations occurred before you could put your hand on heart and say that you loved them. I am sure you have had relationships where these happened but the bottom line was you could not say you loved them. When people ask if they are in love then they are probably not. How were you able with certitude to say that you loved them???????
Describe human love without experiencing it. Human adult love is between equals. God's love is crazy as it is between someone He created and the Creator. It is a gift. Why do some people not experience human love never mind Divine love.? Make a better PhD dissitation than, "Did the Vikings have a subjunctive case?"
Anyway I just witness to my experience.
As you say "cheers",obviously we are not on the same wavelength.
"'We played the pipe for you, and you did not dance; we sang a dirge, and you did not mourn.'
 
I'd like to come back to what I said before:
"Belief starts at the point where knowledge ends."

Thinking about what we are and where we come from, I thought this video might be interesting,
about the origin of elements that are now put together to form our body, our brain, our thoughts and feelings.
Everything around us has been created inside a sun somewhere out in space billions of years ago.

Ignore the way of presenting as good as you can, he is targeting kids as well I guess.
It's WHAT he says that matters...


 
tonea2003 said:
i agree with the spirit(no sure that the right word :-)) of your second paragraph that each one of us has a bit of logic and emotion in us all, that's what makes us individual
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Yes and thank you. Perhaps what I am suggesting is, that through this process, each of us comes to deeper express our own uniqueness that is 'born' of shared essence. Not quite like that which you experienced through church, right? And I get that this might not be a language that floats your boat. What is? Maybe I can come to learn to communicate better with you in this way? Beyond that, I will leave you with idea. Some might call the logical mind the 'masculine,' the intuitive mind the 'feminine.' As these two come to join together we begin to open to that which might be called the truly rational. Or even...as the 'masculine' and 'feminine' come to join more on the 'inside' then this can come to be deeper known - and expressed through form - on the 'outside.' Rumour has it, that this can be quite enjoyable?
 
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