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Religion
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and thus spoke Zarathustra...reborn through @Armchair Supporter . Nice one - I had always thought the idea of re-incarnation was a bit nuts myself. But you appear toGod is Dead.
have proved otherwise. Unless, of course, it is not so much the physical being that is reborn but rather a set of ideas that are 'reborn' through many different people, time and time again? 'History repeats itself?' It would seem so - at least until these ideas are allowed to die a death.
yep
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i'll say its crazy when he creates a baby with hideous deformities or life threatening diseases that's real love for you!
As the well know theologian Tim Rice said, "God your will is hard but you own every card.I will drink your cup of poison "
How can God say to his Son, "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased while permitting Him to suffer an unfair trial, torture and execution? God knows? He is the God who is not afraid to get His hands nailed.
' God' as an orchestra conductor along the lines of and/or as interpreted by some religious sects...
'ok you humans... what I want is for you each to learn to play the triangle, with the same song, the same notes, the same rhythm. If you manage to do this, I will
love you and send you to a place called 'heaven'...after you die. However if you try to play a different tune that might express your individuality or (heaven forbid) try a different instrument that might even make your heart sing...THEN I WILL DAMN YOU TO THE FLAMES OF ETERNAL HELL.'
Sorry God - that makes you sound like a bit dull - unlike the brilliance of Light that some say you are meant to represent. Think I might look somewhere else but I wish you well in your smiting of people and stuff. Maybe if you decide to bring a sequel to this out, which speaks of joy and love and peace and stuff...in which each being comes to know the freedom of their own unique expression - then maybe this would be more worth a listen? Oh, and you might want to drop this idea that some people are 'more chosen' than others - that seems to drive people sort of slightly crazy. "My triangle is bigger, better and more in tune than yours!!!' is an argument that gives me a bit of a headache after a while. Anyhow, these are just are a few thoughts that you may want to consider. And, given that you meant to be 'the peace that passeth understanding,' then I figure what I have written won'r piss you off?
'ok you humans... what I want is for you each to learn to play the triangle, with the same song, the same notes, the same rhythm. If you manage to do this, I will
love you and send you to a place called 'heaven'...after you die. However if you try to play a different tune that might express your individuality or (heaven forbid) try a different instrument that might even make your heart sing...THEN I WILL DAMN YOU TO THE FLAMES OF ETERNAL HELL.'
Sorry God - that makes you sound like a bit dull - unlike the brilliance of Light that some say you are meant to represent. Think I might look somewhere else but I wish you well in your smiting of people and stuff. Maybe if you decide to bring a sequel to this out, which speaks of joy and love and peace and stuff...in which each being comes to know the freedom of their own unique expression - then maybe this would be more worth a listen? Oh, and you might want to drop this idea that some people are 'more chosen' than others - that seems to drive people sort of slightly crazy. "My triangle is bigger, better and more in tune than yours!!!' is an argument that gives me a bit of a headache after a while. Anyhow, these are just are a few thoughts that you may want to consider. And, given that you meant to be 'the peace that passeth understanding,' then I figure what I have written won'r piss you off?
As the well know theologian Tim Rice said, "God your will is hard but you own every card.I will drink your cup of poison "
How can God say to his Son, "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased while permitting Him to suffer an unfair trial, torture and execution? God knows? He is the God who is not afraid to get His hands nailed.
so its ok then?
feelymcfeel
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Based on experience, I presume, otherwise pure supposition!
Supposition?
You're arguing that someone who is punished, only to be told "I'm only doing this because I love you," isn't being abused? Someone who is forced to do something insane using the premise "you need to do it to prove you love me," isn't being abused?
You have a really fucking blinkered view of what abuse is my friend.
yep
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If I was God I would do things differently but I am only a creature with a man's knowledge.so its ok then?
I do not know if you are a militant atheist or just someone with a mind seeking understanding. If you are the former then why ask, if the latter try seeing if you get an answer to your question from God- try prefacing your question with "God, if you exist..." or is that presenting to your mind as being silly?
yep
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My father when punishing me as a child always said that it hurt him more than it hurt me.Supposition?
You're arguing that someone who is punished, only to be told "I'm only doing this because I love you," isn't being abused? Someone who is forced to do something insane using the premise "you need to do it to prove you love me," isn't being abused?
You have a really fucking blinkered view of what abuse is my friend.
Is your religious experience abusive?
feelymcfeel
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My father when punishing me as a child always said that it hurt him more than it hurt me.
Is your religious experience abusive?
If you don't love God you are punished for eternity in Hell. That is the very definition of abuse mate.
Revelation 21:8
If I was God I would do things differently but I am only a creature with a man's knowledge.
I do not know if you are a militant atheist or just someone with a mind seeking understanding. If you are the former then why ask, if the latter try seeing if you get an answer to your question from God- try prefacing your question with "God, if you exist..." or is that presenting to your mind as being silly?
the two are not mutually exclusive you know
the question is if such a being exists why would it operate in such way that just because you set its son up to be tortured then its ok to inflict pain and suffering on everyone else just to prove you love it. it is just ridiculous
whp.blue
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Are you Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche?God is Dead.
yep
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Bottom line is God is crazy about us all. If you are not crazy about God would your pride and selfishness allow you to be in His company?If you don't love God you are punished for eternity in Hell. That is the very definition of abuse mate.
Revelation 21:8
yep
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the two are not mutually exclusive you know
the question is if such a being exists why would it operate in such way that just because you set its son up to be tortured then its ok to inflict pain and suffering on everyone else just to prove you love it. it is just ridiculous
Not a new reaction.
1 Corinthians 1:23
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumbling block, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
BlueMoonRisin’
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I apologise, I am a **** wasting my time reading the twaddle written on this thread; )my point of view is well established if you bother to look hard enough
what is your problem with me asking to substantiate what is a quite an extraordinary claim
and by the way i am not trying to make him look ridiculous
feelymcfeel
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Bottom line is God is crazy about us all. If you are not crazy about God would your pride and selfishness allow you to be in His company?
I think your confusing my pride and selfishness with your pride and selfishness. My pride and selfishness is such that I can apologise for my mistakes and I'm quite happy let my opinion be changed by evidence - in fact I encourage it. The religious are the kind of people that could be shown irrefutable proof that God does not exist, and they'd still say "well I believe he does." That is pride. That is selfishness.
The fact is that there is no evidence to suggest the existence of God, or indeed of any of the thousands of historical Gods, let alone proof that yours is the correct one. The burden of proof lies with the person making the claim of existence, and until such a time that that proof exists I will sit here and happily not believe God exists. I will continue to be a good person, not out of fear of divine retribution but because I'm not a dick.
Don't come in here and preach about God being 'crazy about us all' when there are so many problems in the world. If your God exists he doesn't give a fuck about you, and nor should you about him.
Speaking of pride and selfishness, why would I want to be in the company of someone who was so proud and selfish that unless i loved him unconditionally he'd punish me? You need to get your priorities sorted and give your head a wobble, pal.
I apologise, I am a **** wasting my time reading the twaddle written on this thread; )
certainly some twaddle i will agree
You are so close to the truth now, and this beautiful to see. Yes!!! Can I suggest a little tweak? That any decision to turn away from Love does not mean that Love will 'punish us' - but it may mean that, through this choice we might experience life in away that is somehow 'unloving.' Yet as choose to let go of this then we find that Love loves us...because that is the very nature of its being...it couldn't be different in the same way that an apple could never be an orange! Ok, I hear you...I am being a bit of an allegorical, riddled filled twat. Fair enough, I accept this...but, with a cheeky smile, might I suggest that the biblical story of the 'return of the prodigal son' is really one of normal folk* like you and I coming to remember this Love - much more so than than a message that says there is one messiah...and 'you' are not it?the two are not mutually exclusive you know
the question is if such a being exists why would it operate in such way that just because you set its son up to be tortured then its ok to inflict pain and suffering on everyone else just to prove you love it. it is just ridiculous
*ok maybe for you I might come across as a bit weird or sort of abnormal? But really I am just an ordinary guy that, if I walked past you in the street, you most likely wouldn't notice me. That is quite a happy place for me to be - rather than an attempt to disparage you.
You are so close to the truth now, and this beautiful to see. Yes!!! Can I suggest a little tweak? That any decision to turn away from Love does not mean that Love will 'punish us' - but it may mean that, through this choice we might experience life in away that is somehow 'unloving.' Yet as choose to let go of this then we find that Love loves us...because that is the very nature of its being...it couldn't be different in the same way that an apple could never be an orange! Ok, I hear you...I am being a bit of an allegorical, riddled filled twat. Fair enough, I accept this...but, with a cheeky smile, might I suggest that the biblical story of the 'return of the prodigal son' is really one of normal folk* like you and I coming to remember this Love - much more so than than a message that says there is one messiah...and 'you' are not it?
*ok maybe for you I might come across as a bit weird or sort of abnormal? But really I am just an ordinary guy that, if I walked past you in the street, you most likely wouldn't notice me. That is quite a happy place for me to be - rather than an attempt to disparage you.
as they say "god loves a trier" i'll give you that arfur
if you think somehow i've been guided down a wrong life path i think you are mistaking me for someone else i'm afraid mate
yep
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OK, pal.I think your confusing my pride and selfishness with your pride and selfishness. My pride and selfishness is such that I can apologise for my mistakes and I'm quite happy let my opinion be changed by evidence - in fact I encourage it. The religious are the kind of people that could be shown irrefutable proof that God does not exist, and they'd still say "well I believe he does." That is pride. That is selfishness.
The fact is that there is no evidence to suggest the existence of God, or indeed of any of the thousands of historical Gods, let alone proof that yours is the correct one. The burden of proof lies with the person making the claim of existence, and until such a time that that proof exists I will sit here and happily not believe God exists. I will continue to be a good person, not out of fear of divine retribution but because I'm not a dick.
Don't come in here and preach about God being 'crazy about us all' when there are so many problems in the world. If your God exists he doesn't give a fuck about you, and nor should you about him.
Speaking of pride and selfishness, why would I want to be in the company of someone who was so proud and selfish that unless i loved him unconditionally he'd punish me? You need to get your priorities sorted and give your head a wobble, pal.
Some enchanted evening.
Who can explain it, who can tell you why?
Fools give you reasons, wise men never try.
Some enchanted evening, when you find your true love,
When you hear her call you across a crowded room,
Then fly to her side and make her your own,
Or all through your life you may dream all alone.
Once you have found her, never let her go,
Once you have found her, never let her go.
Not a new reaction.
1 Corinthians 1:23
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumbling block, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
that don't much sense to me, i'd like that in plain english
from the same book
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. - injustice
Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents - cruelty
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind - intolerance
we can all quote the bible