General UFC thread

quiet_riot said:
The fact you think a punch from behind is 'honourable' or 'man to man' says more about you than anything else.



Well I don't profess to be an expert on this, unlike you, who seems to be an expert on pretty much everything. But the on-screen graphic called it a neck crank, and a quick visit to wikipedia highlights it as illegal...but you know best.
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I've been watching the UFC since the 3rd episode, when it was on the channel 'Men and Motors', I think it was called.

So, yeah, I knew the rules then and changes of the rules now.

A 'face crank' and a 'neck crank' are essentially the same thing from where the position of the grip is around the face applying pressure and turning the neck.

It 'may' have been 'illegal' once (not that I can remember), but it's legitimate at this point in time and has been performed numerous times in the octagon over the years. This is your first time seeing it. If it was 'illegal', would you not think the referee would have a clue about that...??

You don't have to be a d*ck and get offended.
 
Thomas Hearns said:
He could handle the difference. Kept his cool sensationally well when he needed to. And when he didn’t need to he and his team sought payback.

If team Khabib did this every time I’d agree they were in the wrong but this was an isolated example and the recipient was a guy who’s built his fortune as much on his beyond the pale trash talking as on his wonderful fighting abilities.

These guys think differently to you and me, they don’t seek justice in the courts or in fines from governing bodies, they seek it man to man and if in their eyes a man has offended their honour there are repercussions
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Summed up well.
 
Armaan said:
Summed up well.
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No, the 'repercussions' end in the ring.

You don't HAVE to shake hands, but it's a good sign that you're a man to leave it in the ring.

KN even intimated his dad would be displeased with him in the post-fight conference and he looked sh*t scared at that thought.

KN knows he disrespected his family with his actions.
 
BimboBob said:
Respect? Leaping into the crowd whilst a few more attack the ring. Respect?

A professional would ignore the abuse, take it, safe in the knowledge that has won the fight. No need for anything else.

Nothing but a pair of cunts.
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Well, if you watch the video, you’ll see Danis beckoning Khabib out, and Mchregor throwing the first punch in the ring. The difference between the two camps, one side is a yapping chiwawa and the other in a pit bull. Connor and his team wanted a war and got humiliated by some very serious individuals. Then to add salt in the wounds, there’s a video of hundreds of Irish fans baiting about 10 Russians and standing there singing as one of them spat on a Russian and got knocked out.

Very bad night for them. And it’s been coming. ‘If one of us goes to war we all go to wat’ yeah right
 
Was anyone else half expecting Andy Kaufman to show up in the midst of all that? It was that kind of shitshow.
 
oman0115 said:
Well, if you watch the video, you’ll see Danis beckoning Khabib out, and Mchregor throwing the first punch in the ring. The difference between the two camps, one side is a yapping chiwawa and the other in a pit bull. Connor and his team wanted a war and got humiliated by some very serious individuals. Then to add salt in the wounds, there’s a video of hundreds of Irish fans baiting about 10 Russians and standing there singing as one of them spat on a Russian and got knocked out.

Very bad night for them. And it’s been coming. ‘If one of us goes to war we all go to wat’ yeah right
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I'm not fussed about either side. You can fight and win, or fight and lose, but either way take it like a man and show humility at the end. It's a professional sport. All the hoo har beforehand is to sell the fight. It's happened in boxing for years. We get that. Stuff after? Shows them all up to be nothing more than trained thugs.
 
BimboBob said:
I'm not fussed about either side. You can fight and win, or fight and lose, but either way take it like a man and show humility at the end. It's a professional sport. All the hoo har beforehand is to sell the fight. It's happened in boxing for years. We get that. Stuff after? Shows them all up to be nothing more than trained thugs.
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I see what you’re saying I do, but... you’d think the ufc would have some sense about them to tell McGregor to reign it in, especially when bringing religion and Khabibs relationships with serious Russian criminals. The way McGregor behaves this was inevitable some day. They’ve treated KN like an underclass in the build up, and if you provoke the wrong people it gets very real.

What I sincerely hope, is Khabib gets treated like McGregor would in this situation, but I doubt he will, and I’d love to see him fight Ferguson because that is intriguing.

I hope McGregor learns a life lesson in humility now, and he disappears and enjoys his wealth because his act is old and boring and he’s not elite level anymore anyway. Talk of a rematch, he lost the battle on the feet it was a beat down. Really no need for it
 
Bigga said:
No, the 'repercussions' end in the ring.

You don't HAVE to shake hands, but it's a good sign that you're a man to leave it in the ring.

KN even intimated his dad would be displeased with him in the post-fight conference and he looked sh*t scared at that thought.

KN knows he disrespected his family with his actions.
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He sounded like he lost his rag and knew it - like he won the outer fight but lost to the 'not his best side' straight afterwards.
But has anyone here been in such a situation to be able to say 'oh yeah, I'm much more honourable than him and would
have handled it differently?' Oh but he's professional so he should be this and that? Go find out yourselves how you'd
deal with it - even without the physical fight part maybe? CG came across as though he was trying to wind KN up so he'd be
unbalanced and make a mistake. And he succeeded to an extent - just not quite at the time and in the manner he'd probably hoped.
 
Thomas Hearns said:
No problem, take the rematch to Dagestan, see how brave Danis is over there.

I think you’d also see a more restrained approach from Conor at any Dagestan based weigh ins and pressers thus avoiding the need for retribution.
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Why would anyone go to Dagestan for a poxy pay day? Everyone knows UFC is all about hype, which is what generates the money (PPV), which is also why it is in America and Vegas, whenever possible...just like the biggest events in boxing!

There is a reason McGregor is a loud mouthed cnut...it is what generates the hype, the money and the publicity that sustains ALL OF THEIR CAREERS!

As I said at the outset, I’m no fan of McGregor, but I can have zero respect for what happened to him post fight.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
So, we will out you down for “sucker punch from behind AFTER the fight” as “honorable.”

I’d suggest you have issues.
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I think the situation fell into the melee category. Don’t know if you’ve ever been in a melee but it’s not the done thing to adhere strictly to Queensbury rules, more a case of identifying the other side and hurting them.
 
Few points here:

- There is no difference between the pre and post fight, you can't try and kick or punch someone, or even try and touch someone if you are not in the cage and during a round.
- You can't say what you like and say 'its just promotion' without there being repercussions. Life isn't about just money and especially in a violent sport there needs to be a level of respect.
- Connor has proven that he understands what he was in for and has no/little issues with what went down.
- The UFC can't have it both ways, either you put a clamp down on it all or risk shit like this happening on a regular occasion. Connor jumped out of the cage and made a beeline towards Jose Aldo a few years ago, the only thing that stopped the same thing happening was security and the only reason nobody jumped into the cage at that point was there was that Aldo wasn't there with his crew. This shit needs to stop.
- A few years ago a very similar thing happened in Strikeforce between Mayhem Miller (who was by himself) when he got jumped on and beaten up by the Diaz bro's and his camp after he was looking to promote a fight with Jake Shields (IIRC), the only difference was this was in the cage as all the parties were already inside then. I can't remember what punishment went down then but the promoter, IMO, has a responsibility to control these situations better and i don't feel the UFC have done so. Security and police on the night did as much as they could do but this should have been nipped in the bud weeks, months before the event.

On the actual fight i thought Connor was over confident, it looked to me like he thought he could keep Khabib off him. The first shot on the single wasn't the best one Khabib has ever done but his chain wrestling once he has a hold is just on another level. I don't see how Connor wins any rematch.
 
arfurclue said:
He sounded like he lost his rag and knew it - like he won the outer fight but lost to the 'not his best side' straight afterwards.
But has anyone here been in such a situation to be able to say 'oh yeah, I'm much more honourable than him and would
have handled it differently?' Oh but he's professional so he should be this and that? Go find out yourselves how you'd
deal with it - even without the physical fight part maybe? CG came across as though he was trying to wind KN up so he'd be
unbalanced and make a mistake. And he succeeded to an extent - just not quite at the time and in the manner he'd probably hoped.
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Let's get one thing straight, whilst I'm no big fan of McGregor I understand his pre-fight strategy being two fold; to 'unbalance' the opponent as you say and also to get himself paid. Money is his priority and he's not ashamed to tell you.

The fight game has been a means to an end and he now has to ask himself if that desire to fight still exists.

But that means his desire to be Number One against has to be all consuming and I don't think that particular burns anywhere near as brightly as it once did.

When that desire was there, it was 'kill or be killed', but now he's a caricature of himself, which is why he was reportedly upset with his own performance. He has the tools to smash Khabib Nurmagomedov, but he doesn't have to prove that to anybody, only himself.
 
Bigga said:
Let's get one thing straight, whilst I'm no big fan of McGregor I understand his pre-fight strategy being two fold; to 'unbalance' the opponent as you say and also to get himself paid. Money is his priority and he's not ashamed to tell you.

The fight game has been a means to an end and he now has to ask himself if that desire to fight still exists.

But that means his desire to be Number One against has to be all consuming and I don't think that particular burns anywhere near as brightly as it once did.

When that desire was there, it was 'kill or be killed', but now he's a caricature of himself, which is why he was reportedly upset with his own performance. He has the tools to smash Khabib Nurmagomedov, but he doesn't have to prove that to anybody, only himself.
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It seems so. In danger of his legacy becoming more about his mouth than his skills. I am wondering if he himself thinks he might have gone too far this time
- and did he push it this much as he had doubts about his own ability to win? Beyond that be interesting to see if he changes approach - might just have become a
bit predictable. If he does carry on the same way, will Dana White draw a line in the sand? The 'thrills' of trash talk 'showbusiness' gets a bit dull in my books -
surely UFC has enough to offer without this...or maybe it doesn't?
 
Thomas Hearns said:
I think the situation fell into the melee category. Don’t know if you’ve ever been in a melee but it’s not the done thing to adhere strictly to Queensbury rules, more a case of identifying the other side and hurting them.
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Got it!

Melee = Get in some cheap shots = Honorable.

Like I said...

Climbing out of the octagon to fight the crowd = NOT honorable
Climbing into the octagon, especially as a pro fighter, to get off a few cheap shots on someone who just got choked out = NOT honorable.

You have issues.

You appear not to like just the sport, but “melee” fighting...whenever, wherever.
 
Bigga said:
Let's get one thing straight, whilst I'm no big fan of McGregor I understand his pre-fight strategy being two fold; to 'unbalance' the opponent as you say and also to get himself paid. Money is his priority and he's not ashamed to tell you.

The fight game has been a means to an end and he now has to ask himself if that desire to fight still exists.

But that means his desire to be Number One against has to be all consuming and I don't think that particular burns anywhere near as brightly as it once did.

When that desire was there, it was 'kill or be killed', but now he's a caricature of himself, which is why he was reportedly upset with his own performance. He has the tools to smash Khabib Nurmagomedov, but he doesn't have to prove that to anybody, only himself.
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I don't think he does have the tools and i don't believe he would be able to learn them in a quick enough fashion to stop Khabib from doing wtf he wants. The 3rd round (although i've watched the fight 3 times now and think it was only slightly in favour of McGregor and no way an easy win as it felt watching it first time) it seemed to be that Khabib was preserving some energy and also wanted to prove he could take Connor's punches, even though they were much less powerful than they would have been early on. The type of wrestling Khabib does looks like its clumsy, looks like its not getting anywhere but its all chained together in one big sequence and that's why its so successful. I rewatched the second Diaz fight where Connor tried to pace himself and after watching that i was convinced he would be beaten in this manner. I just don't think his type of explosive style of fighting can last at the pace that Khabib sets, hell i think if Ferguson could survive from the early shots he would out work Connor.
 
im not sure if people saw this video from a different angle,and think McGregor was innocent in all this,watch the video from about 2.10 onwards after khabib goes over the side McGregor gets onto the top of the cage one of khabibs corner men goes over the top after khabib and McGregor twats him,thats when the others start on McGregor.

as for a rematch khabib destroyed McGregor and would do the same again.

 
ChicagoBlue said:
Got it!

Melee = Get in some cheap shots = Honorable.

Like I said...

Climbing out of the octagon to fight the crowd = NOT honorable
Climbing into the octagon, especially as a pro fighter, to get off a few cheap shots on someone who just got choked out = NOT honorable.

You have issues.

You appear not to like just the sport, but “melee” fighting...whenever, wherever.
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Being a protagonist in a melee and being an honourable man are not mutually exclusive though. An honourable man can find himself involved in a melee due to extreme provocation of the sort that team Khabib were subjected to by Conor.

I think your definition of honourable is very narrow and self serving in this discussion. To be honourable is,amongst other things, to do what is morally right. It can certainly be argued that exacting punishment on people who have insulted ones family and religion is justifiable. If this retribution takes place in a melee so be it.
 
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