Spurs’ new stadium

Met Line Hammer said:
Just let Levy write the fixture list. It'll be fine

Erm. @MillionMilesAway So he received a bonus already for delivering a stadium on time, that hasn't been delivered on time wtf?
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That was my understanding! Good work if you can get it.

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It appears a big pay jump was 'performance-related'. I took that to be stadium building, rather than just on-field. Might be wrong on that.
 
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JPBB said:
The Champions League last 16 match?

Levy does not want this delay. It damages the brand and cost the club a fortune. The suggestion that Levy planned all this is simply ludicrous.

Why would he lie? I can not see any motivation for him to do so.
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Possible misunderstanding of what I meant, I think.

I absolutely agree that it is damaging and that it was not planned, especially early on. However at some point, it must have been obvious that it was not going to happen on time, and I would think that there must be a certain degree of naivete to swallow and announce prospective dates in September/October/January.

I thought I'd said (or intended to) that I doubt he lied. Unthinkable for his reputation. That seems to me to only leave him avoiding asking important questions, as the answers would be something he preferred not to know and keep deniability.

CL match - yes, that's a good call.
 
JPBB said:
So you are saying that Spurs acted dishonestly and misrepresented the situation and that is why they should be punished? Hard one to prove that. I think you need the email from Levy saying lets fuck up the Premier League by lying about the stadium completion date. I am not sure that email exists. I am sure the email to Levy from Mace exists where they say the stadium will be finished on time,
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I didn’t say Spurs or Levy deliberately acted dishonesty but giving what appeared to be a catagoric assurance in June that things would be done and dusted by October and now we are looking at March or beyond - that was at best a very optimistic or ill-informed assurance. I know these things happen and this is a huge project but Spurs do seem to keep letting bad news drop out of the sky and presenting not only the PL but other clubs and their supporters with last minute problems. Take the City game that late in the day fixture change caused huge issues for City fans and Spurs as a club took no responsibility for the issues and financial implications of there inability to be upfront about when the match needed to be played. You sound defensive and I’m sure you are pissed off but the league has been incredibly flexible and supportive and opposition fans have in many cases been messed around and unnecessarily kept in the dark. I’m not saying Spurs have done anything deliberately wrong but they most certainly could have been more upfront and done an awful lot more to acknowledge the impact the stadium delays have had on opposition fans. I look forward to attending the new ground next season - I’m sure it’s gonna be spectacular. Good luck.
 
JPBB said:
The Champions League last 16 match?

Levy does not want this delay. It damages the brand and cost the club a fortune. The suggestion that Levy planned all this is simply ludicrous.

Why would he lie? I can not see any motivation for him to do so.
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Here's a motivation but just a theory

Stadium planners> We need at least 1.5 season to complete the stadium
Levy > They will make us play two seasons at Wembley in that case and that means we lose more money. They will only allow one season and a few games played away first got be ready for September, October at latest
Stadium planners > Well the roof won't be ready until December
Levy> We will go for one then claim a delay beyond our control that will give us the least time away
Stadium planners > Just blame H&S it's always a good one

So like a politician he's not lied, just not told the whole truth
 
Gordyola said:
Here's a motivation but just a theory

Stadium planners> We need at least 1.5 season to complete the stadium
Levy > They will make us play two seasons at Wembley in that case and that means we lose more money. They will only allow one season and a few games played away first got be ready for September, October at latest
Stadium planners > Well the roof won't be ready until December
Levy> We will go for one then claim a delay beyond our control that will give us the least time away
Stadium planners > Just blame H&S it's always a good one

So like a politician he's not lied, just not told the whole truth
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A more likely scenario is:
Contractor 1: No way can we do it for that price and in that time frame.
Contractor 2: No problem, we can do it for that price and in that time frame.
Levy: Contactor 2, your'e hired.
 
JPBB said:
So you are saying that Spurs acted dishonestly and misrepresented the situation and that is why they should be punished? Hard one to prove that. I think you need the email from Levy saying lets fuck up the Premier League by lying about the stadium completion date. I am not sure that email exists. I am sure the email to Levy from Mace exists where they say the stadium will be finished on time,
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Guess we'll have to wait for Der Spiegel to clarify that ;-)
 
hello said:
I think its because every man and their dog knew they were bullshitting the FA,as a result they have played a higher % of games away than rival teams and thus have more home games in the 2nd half than anyone else giving them an advantage. Add to levy being an absolute **** and some of us still being being upset by 81 and I think this forum has been amazingly gracious about our beloved spuds.
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Gordyola said:
Its not punishing Spurs its giving back integrity to the competition, each club playing their away game at the same stadium.

It was clear that the project timing was flawed, and Levy knew it he shafted the PL into using Wembley for a season and a half. There were reports that the roof was never going to be ready until late in the year way back in Augyst https://www.building.co.uk/news/roof-on-late-spurs-stadium-only-started-a-year-ago/5095307.article before the safety issues were used as an excuse

Using Wembley as a alternative for home games whilst a new stadium is built, on your existing site, is not available to the majority of clubs and IMHO shouldn't have been allowed in any case
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nmc said:
If they play at Wembley until Feb I wonder if the FA should make them complete the season there - if they have played 2/3rds of their games at one venue shouldn’t they play them all there? The PL must be wondering (well I certainly am) about the commitment Spurs gave before the fixtures were released that they’d only need Wembley for a few weeks - that was clearly bullshit and I suspect that Spurs knew that,- when they made the commitment- the project must have been miles off schedule then. Spurs obviously calculated that it was better not to be upfront and believed they’d getter a better hearing from the FA if they sought further dispensation when there were no other options - when the season was underway with fixtures arranged and tickets sold (as was the case with our fixture). Spurs have had special dispensation to stay at Wembley - October has passed - so I do wonder if all 19 teams should play them at the same ground. The FA have been pretty lenient but I can’t help but wonder if Spurs have taken the piss and allowed issues to trickle out rather than be open and upfront.
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Here we go again!

Fellas, I know that you find it difficult to believe, but Spurs genuinely proposed to open the stadium on 15th September. There was no conspiracy. No intention to deceive the Premier League. There is no possible advantage that Spurs could have gained from the dishonesty that you claim. The delay has cost them hugely. If they had known what you claim they knew, they would have been far better off deciding to play at Wembley from the outset - not least because they could have completed the stadium at leisure from the outset and not spent millions on thousands of overtime hours. The conspiracy theory makes no sense at all. I fear that your dislike of Spurs is clouding your judgement.

And Gordyola, I think you have misunderstood that roof article. It doesn't say that the roof was "never going to be ready" in time. Rather, it's an article which correctly makes the point that the cable net roof design meant that work on the roof couldn't be started until the entire stadium structure was built - relevant in this instance because work on two fifths of the stadium site couldn't even begin until mid May 2017, after Spurs played their final game at the old stadium. As it was, and as the MACE representative claimed in the article, the roof was indeed substantially complete by the end of August.
 
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JimB said:
Here we go again!

Fellas, I know that you find it difficult to believe, but Spurs genuinely proposed to open the stadium on 15th September. There was no conspiracy. No intention to deceive the Premier League. There is no possible advantage that Spurs could have gained from the dishonesty that you claim. The delay has cost them hugely. If they had known what you claim they knew, they would have been far better off deciding to play at Wembley from the outset - not least because they could have completed the stadium at leisure from the outset and not spent millions on thousands of overtime hours. The conspiracy theory makes no sense at all. I fear that your dislike of Spurs is clouding your judgement.

Finally, Gordyola, I think you've misunderstood that roof article. It doesn't say that the roof was "never going to be ready" in time. Rather, it's an article which correctly makes the point that the cable net roof design meant that work on the roof couldn't be started until entire stadium structure was built - relevant in this instance because work on two fifths of the stadium site couldn't even begin until mid May 2017, after Spurs played their final game at the old stadium. As it was, and as the MACE representative claimed in the article, the roof was indeed substantially complete by the end of August.
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If your in a race for 4th against Arsenal is having 2/3rds of your games in the run in at home not advantageous? I am sure city, Chelsea, dippers would love more home fixtures in the run in. Undoubtedly it’s a sporting advantage and if it aids chumps league qualification more than pays for any overtime levy may or may not have paid
 
MillionMilesAway said:
Don't know about the early exchanges on the Wembley plan, but something major has gone wrong if a September start (and October, and December, and now January) is missed by so much. Levy has certainly been economical with the truth, but I doubt he's openly lied. He does however appear to be the Teflon man for that huge bonus he got (am i right that it was for delivering the stadium on time?)

The FA have been craven and inept in allowing this to develop so far. I do think Spurs have got away with blue murder over this, and the disruption caused to others (obviously the fiasco with the City match is pretty strongly felt here!). It should really have got to the point of "Wembley for the season" now.

I feel a bit sorry for the Spurs fans, who are copping it for the sliminess of Levy's shenanigans. Quite looking forward to going to the new ground though - it looks very impressive.

Liverpool, City, Utd were the (shock) starting matches declared as intentions. Who's next - Chelsea or Arsenal?
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Yes, yes, yes! Indeed, something major did go wrong!

It was the wiring systems which all have to be integrated. If, as in this case, there has been a major cockup, then it is one hell of a job to identify it and rectify it. That has now finally been done and the club are in the process of carrying out all tests. However, they need to stage two public test events of increasing capacity before they can gain the necessary safety certificate and, unfortunately, because of the Christmas schedule and scarcity of police over the period, these test events cannot be held until the new year. Otherwise, the Utd game would have been the first proper game at the new stadium,.
 
hello said:
If your in a race for 4th against Arsenal is having 2/3rds of your games in the run in at home not advantageous? I am sure city, Chelsea, dippers would love more home fixtures in the run in. Undoubtedly it’s a sporting advantage and if it aids chumps league qualification more than pays for any overtime levy may or may not have paid
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You could just as easily say that having two thirds of your games away from home in the first half of the season is a massive disadvantage and that Spurs could have found themselves so far behind by the new year that they had no hope of making top four regardless of having lots of home games in hand - especially since, under Poch, Spurs have tended to be slow starters to the season.
 
aguero93:20 said:
Yeah, yeah. That's what they all say...
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Because it's the truth!

Genuinely, if you can posit a theory that actually makes sense, then I'll be very happy to give it serious consideration. But everything that has been suggested by those wearing tin foil hats thus far makes no sense whatsoever.
 
JimB said:
Because it's the truth!

Genuinely, if you can posit a theory that actually makes sense, then I'll be very happy to give it serious consideration. But everything that has been suggested by those wearing tin foil hats thus far makes no sense whatsoever.
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Spurs fucked up. Or lied. One or the other.
 
aguero93:20 said:
Spurs fucked up. Or lied. One or the other.
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Indeed.

I have a friend who works at Spurs and he said even the inside of the ground was so far behind schedule, that it would never have been finished on time, even before the wiring issue. Does it really take around 6 months to sort out wiring? Regardless, he's responsible as the chief of the organisation who commissioned the contractors.

Sounds like bullshit but Spurs fans are heavily invested in Levy as they have been telling fans of other clubs that he's the best chairman in football. Some of them refuse to accept he's anything less than a genius.
 
aguero93:20 said:
Spurs fucked up. Or lied. One or the other.
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JimB said:
Because it's the truth!

Genuinely, if you can posit a theory that actually makes sense, then I'll be very happy to give it serious consideration. But everything that has been suggested by those wearing tin foil hats thus far makes no sense whatsoever.
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Youre being clarkied mate. If you arent aware what that is youre pretty new here! You will be repeating yourself for 22 years otherwise
 
hello said:
If your in a race for 4th against Arsenal is having 2/3rds of your games in the run in at home not advantageous? I am sure city, Chelsea, dippers would love more home fixtures in the run in. Undoubtedly it’s a sporting advantage and if it aids chumps league qualification more than pays for any overtime levy may or may not have paid
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Surely you mean race for the title?
 
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