Are Labour a total shambles now as an opposition?

[blueinsa]

Lots of young Corbynistas are also remainers despite the fact he isn't. He can't come out as he will lose his youth vote.

They should educate themselves as to his actual EU stance.

 

[aguero93:20]

Politics these days reminds me of the season the PL was won by Leicester.

It appears no fucker wants to win it.

You could be right. Whose shoes would you rather be in right now, May's or Corbyn's?

 

[SWP's back]

You could be right. Whose shoes would you rather be in right now, May's or Corbyn's?

May’s. But only for the reason that if I was in Corbyn’s, there’s a chance I would be able to recall the memory of shagging Diane Abbot.

 

[aguero93:20]

May’s. But only for the reason that if I was in Corbyn’s, there’s a chance I would be able to recall the memory of shagging Diane Abbot.

Shagging Diane Abbott aside *shudders* I'd say Corbyn is the happier of the two at the moment.

 

[SWP's back]

Shagging Diane Abbott aside *shudders* I'd say Corbyn is the happier of the two at the moment.

Pervert.

 

[Ban-jani]

They should educate themselves as to his actual EU stance.

I do believe they bury their heads when it comes to this.

 

[The perfect fumble]

I think the truth is previously there was an obvious choice on domestic policy between the two main parties and brexit now adds a level of confusion. The waiting game will fail because the brexit split will be 50 50 for quite some time. Labour are hoping for something that will not arrive and that’s more clarity to how the wind is blowing. Like May they don’t know what to do so delay. Politicians whose sole purpose is gaining power cannot see a way to get it.

At some point labour and the Tories will be forced to make a decision one way or the other.

The Tories civil war is well known as is played out on a daily basis with the added awfulness that they're in office.

Labour's civil war has gone quiet after the Blairites suffered defeat after defeat, but it's not gone away. The third wayers have rallied round the people's vote campaign and are using it as a stick to beat the left. Always nice to have a reminder of just what shits they are.....



I see Brexit as the oil for these civil wars not the engine. You have two right wing faction slugging it out in the Tory party and left wing and a right wing factions pummelling each other in the Labour party.

The real problem is we have too many fucking right wingers.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Labour & Tories are unfit for office.

 

[The perfect fumble]

This is clever, Umunna you lump of fucking wood, look who stole your people's vote.....

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ts-pressure-corbyn-second-vote-new-referendum

Party activists pile pressure on Corbyn to back second vote
Labour leftwingers launch internal campaign for new referendum, but some senior figures fear policy shift could cost votes

Yeah, right, if that's how you see it, fine.

Watch this space, as the Labour party leadership shifts its position, in response to a grassroots campaign (that it actually started itself).

Old school Labour democracy! I love it, makes me want to dig up my tank top and flares.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Labour & Tories are unfit for office.

It's a simple choice at the next election: the shambles that is the opposition, the shambles that is the Government, and the shambles represented by any of the alternative parties. I think I shall replicate my sojourn in the polling booth for the Greater Manchester Mayoral Elections - vote for all of 'em!

 

[SWP's back]

This is clever, Umunna you lump of fucking wood, look who stole your people's vote.....

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ts-pressure-corbyn-second-vote-new-referendum

Party activists pile pressure on Corbyn to back second vote
Labour leftwingers launch internal campaign for new referendum, but some senior figures fear policy shift could cost votes

Yeah, right, if that's how you see it, fine.

Watch this space, as the Labour party leadership shifts its position, in response to a grassroots campaign (that it actually started itself).

Old school Labour democracy! I love it, makes me want to dig up my tank top and flares.

He changes to a second referendum then he gets my vote.

 

[hilts]

He changes to a second referendum then he gets my vote.

You would really vote for Corbyn?

 

[SWP's back]

You would really vote for Corbyn?

Anything to stop what I believe to be economic self harm yeah.

This Brexit isn’t the Brexit that was on the tin.

 

[hilts]

Anything to stop what I believe to be economic self harm yeah.

This Brexit isn’t the Brexit that was on the tin.

You don’t believe Corbyn would be economic self harm?

 

[urban genie]

Problem is from the result of the referendum the 2 main news outlets bbc and sky have had little interest in amything else, and concentrated on that, Corbyn kust doean't seem to want to make that centre of everything when the country has other ills, so all you see interviewed if people obsessed with it.

I have watched daily politics, marr, ridge on sky etc and if any other subject is brought up they steer it back to brexit and tbf what the fuck else is to said on it that's new as we know who is for leave and remain, who wants a hard one, a shit deal or a new referendum.
So we have been saturated with johnson, reese-mogg, starmer, blair, may, etc.

If you actually look at social media labour have a strong presence and are producing stuff opposing and commenting on many things wrong, so a messahe is getting out but I will also concede unfortunately with that a lot also is in an echo chamber of tgose who wany to hear it.
But on the main news media if it ain't brexit, it ain't talked about.

Well except Channel 4 news which has a broad range of news stories

 

[The perfect fumble]

He changes to a second referendum then he gets my vote.

Whatever one thinks of Corbyn, he can't bring down the government and trigger an election, that is a simple fact. The government we have can't cobble together a Brexit proposal that can command a majority in Parliament and neither can any of the other parties, so there is an inevitability emerging all over the shop that it has to go back to the people. If one discounts the LibDems and everyone does, the only party with a policy for this is Labour, passed at conference a few weeks back.

Corbyn will bite the bullet on a second referendum, he has no choice. This will give the Tories a boost as hard line leavers will desert Labour, and of course he'll still be in opposition, so he has no levers to pull to bring a referendum about, other than trying to get disaffected Tories onside in Parliament (that's a hard act to pull off), and he's running out of time, it took 7 months for Parliament to push through a referendum the last time around, and on top of that he has no control over the wording on the ballot.

Nevertheless, it's not if anymore, it's when.

 

[SWP's back]

You don’t believe Corbyn would be economic self harm?

I’m sure he would.

But would you rather have a cold or cancer?

 

[hilts]

I’m sure he would.

But would you rather have a cold or cancer?

We will have to disagree that brexit is cancer and Corbyn a mere cold I guess

 

[peoffrey]

Labour need a new leader. His lies to young people were disgusting and he was useless in both the EU and General Election votes.

Only the deluded believe Corbyn is pro-Europe. I’d look at Tom Watson or Yvette Cooper. I imagine left wing fundamentalists want Diane Abbott.

 

[urban genie]

Labour need a new leader. His lies to young people were disgusting and he was useless in both the EU and General Election votes.

Only the deluded believe Corbyn is pro-Europe. I’d look at Tom Watson or Yvette Cooper. I imagine left wing fundamentalists want Diane Abbott.

This is the political sub forum not the parody one.
Watson or cooper ffs
And abbot wouldn't even get a look in from lerf wingers.
Her and Corbyn aren't even left wing, well not enough to be taken serious by proper lefties, the daft twat can go tomorrow as long as the party stays socialist.