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Can somebody explain to me exactly what the benefit of City selling away tickets to overseas tourists actually is ??? Certainly doesn't do anything to boost our global profile as the only boost will be for the away team. And any profit City make on 450 tickets at inflated prices ( after we have paid the true cost of the ticket to the away team ) is minimal for selling City fans down the river.

This arrangement makes absolutely no sense whatsoever ??? The fans committee should be asking a lot more questions of City about this. Being fobbed off by the club rep asking fans to grass up on seats of tourist is not good enough. The club know exactly what is going on and them suggesting otherwise is complete tripe !
 
Prophet of Doom said:
Can somebody explain to me exactly what the benefit of City selling away tickets to overseas tourists actually is ??? Certainly doesn't do anything to boost our global profile as the only boost will be for the away team. And any profit City make on 450 tickets at inflated prices ( after we have paid the true cost of the ticket to the away team ) is minimal for selling City fans down the river.

This arrangement makes absolutely no sense whatsoever ??? The fans committee should be asking a lot more questions of City about this. Being fobbed off by the club rep asking fans to grass up on seats of tourist is not good enough. The club know exactly what is going on and them suggesting otherwise is complete tripe !
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The club aren't selling 450 tickets for away games to agencies. They are for home games but not aways.

It makes no sense because it isn't happening. People are coming up with all sorts of unsubstantiated bullshit about away tickets, Thomas Cook and other things.

I'm happy to discuss these things sensibly but some of the stuff being spouted leaves me seriously wondering whether it's worth it even being on here at all. Fortunately, among the loons there are many decent posters who make it worthwhile.
 
Chappie said:
Prestwich blue should print off Blue Jess post and take it with him and challenge the city representative on each and every point made in the post and demand answers
All we are asking is fairness and transparency in the way the club are dealing with away ticket sales.
And for them to stop eroding the allocation to the loyalty points holders.
Tell them to never forget the majority of their support as they may need us again one day
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Absolutely spot on.

There is nothing wrong with the Loyalty points system at all … so long as it applies to the vast majority of tickets for all away allocations.

At present we have just 60% of tickets for which the loyalty points system is applied. Corporates are allocated in a different way. Supporters Club's have their own rules, there is to be a proposed ballot for 18/25 year olds and next season there is a chance that buying travel for Euro aways will guarantee you a ticket. That's five different ways that the club allocates tickets for away games and that doesn't account for the player and staff allocation and the various ways that SC's choose to distribute their tickets.

That isn't a system in its current guise, that is fit for purpose, instead it is a system that is open to abuse at so many levels.

This whole debate shouldn't be about pointing fingers it should be about transparency and understanding why the system is broken.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
What a load of bollocks. City have detailed the numbers of tickets they give out to each group for typical away games. If it's so "well-known" then prove it to me and I'll tackle the club. But people coming out with this stuff never manage to prove it.
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You are the person who put the percentages onto the forum

If you attend away matches and can't see row after row of overseas people in our sector that seem to have no or little affiliation to City then you are burying your head in sand.
These seats have been clearly given to an agencies for resale and they can only have come from one source as they are all together.
Ask them how that happens ?
Ask them about Champion travel
Ask them about Stub hub
Ask them about Viagogo
How do these companies get seats ?
 
Andyleg said:
That isn't a system in its current guise, that is fit for purpose, instead it is a system that is open to abuse at so many levels. This whole debate shouldn't be about pointing fingers it should be about transparency and understanding why the system is broken.
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I do agree that the system needs looking at from top to bottom. It's grown to what it is from a completely different time and set of circumstances and I'd like it to reflect modern realities. But going in and thumping the table isn't going to get us anywhere. It needs rational discussion and careful thought but at the end of the day the club has the final say.
 
Chappie said:
You are the person who put the percentages onto the forum

If you attend away matches and can't see row after row of overseas people in our sector that seem to have no or little affiliation to City then you are burying your head in sand.
These seats have been clearly given to an agencies for resale and they can only have come from one source as they are all together.
Ask them how that happens ?
Ask them about Champion travel
Ask them about Stub hub
Ask them about Viagogo
How do these companies get seats ?
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If there's "row after row" then give me the details and I'll tackle the club. Unlike you, I'm not going to make wild, unsubstantiated claims without the evidence to back it up.

These tickets might be coming from the Supporters Club quite legitimately. If an overseas branch asks Kevin Parker for 10 tickets he might agree to give them these and that's the SC's business if they're coming out of their allocation. They might be coming from the club out of their own allocation. But unless we have the seat details then there's fuck all that can be done. The club genuinely do want to tackle abuse of the system.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Simply not true.

We discussed it earlier and one of the things we talked about was how we could tighten up the criteria for people getting on the TC trip. Nothing is decided yet but we'd like to introduce some sort of loyalty criteria, be that points, priority for previous TC customers or something.
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Why should people who go on TC get priority. What right have they got ?
 
didsburyblu said:
Unless I'm misreading this what advantage are you talking about for 93.20 holders.
I'm one and take my place in the points queue and wait for my points window to arrive just like every other season ticket holder?
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Sorry mate I meant Tunnel Club members. I’m also in 93:20
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I'm happy to discuss these things sensibly but some of the stuff being spouted leaves me seriously wondering whether it's worth it even being on here at all. Fortunately, among the loons there are many decent posters who make it worthwhile.
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This paragraph doesn’t do you any favours
Maybe some of these loons know a lot more about how tickets are disposed of, from within the club than you do.
Maybe some of them know you are being told only what City want you to know at your meetings.
Maybe one or two of them will not tell you anymore for fear of club reprisals !!
You and the other members of the group will only get out of the club the things that they want too change.
This and other posts by me are not a criticism of you or the group I understand that you are all doing you're best .
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
If there's "row after row" then give me the details and I'll tackle the club. Unlike you, I'm not going to make wild, unsubstantiated claims without the evidence to back it up.

These tickets might be coming from the Supporters Club quite legitimately. If an overseas branch asks Kevin Parker for 10 tickets he might agree to give them these and that's the SC's business if they're coming out of their allocation. They might be coming from the club out of their own allocation. But unless we have the seat details then there's fuck all that can be done. The club genuinely do want to tackle abuse of the system.
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Tbh with you mate, at the Chelsea game last year there were two rows of what looked liked ‘tourists’ wearing half and half scarves and some in Chelsea scarves. I doubt very much they got them from a Supporters Club. Ask Cleavers he was sat right behind them.

Although I’m not sure it’s a matter for you to have to bring up?
 
Bill said:
Why shouldn't the club make a killing off corporate ticket selling. Its straight forward business. They need to balance the books then make a profit, simples.
Surely nobody expected to watch the players we watch,the manager we have without something having to give. I say fair play that by and large they have left us,normal fans ,out of the expensive stuff. Our season tickets,compared to others,are damn cheap whilst we watch the best prem side that has ever taken to the field.
They need their money back, expecting anything else is pure delusion, if only to beat the corruption that is FFP.
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How does the club make a killing off Corporate Ticket selling. ? And the price of Season Tickets has nothing to do with fans being shafted on away tickets.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
The club aren't selling 450 tickets for away games to agencies. They are for home games but not aways.

It makes no sense because it isn't happening. People are coming up with all sorts of unsubstantiated bullshit about away tickets, Thomas Cook and other things.

I'm happy to discuss these things sensibly but some of the stuff being spouted leaves me seriously wondering whether it's worth it even being on here at all. Fortunately, among the loons there are many decent posters who make it worthwhile.
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I'm certainly not slagging you off, please continue what your doing but we need answers.
Are you saying the club do not sell tickets to Agency's for home games ? If that is the case can you come up with an explanation as
to how they get hold of multi sets of tickets together.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I do agree that the system needs looking at from top to bottom. It's grown to what it is from a completely different time and set of circumstances and I'd like it to reflect modern realities. But going in and thumping the table isn't going to get us anywhere. It needs rational discussion and careful thought but at the end of the day the club has the final say.
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Genuine question re the youngsters ballot.say at present a group of 10 do regular aways obtaining tickets by whatever means .
So they now apply for the ballot,they now dont know who will ger tickets who wont.they will maybe go in the ballot and still source tickets alternatively to make sure.
Arnt the tickets coming out the same pot to go to the same people ? Arnt they now getting a double chance now ?
It was said if you won they couldnt go in the next ballot do you think they would say im not going this week ?
 
Bill said:
not ticket selling, the whole hospitality bit is what sells, the added attraction is they are guaranteed away tickets.
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Maybe so Bill but in prioritising Joe’s, the Club have highlighted to the larger pool of 93:20 season card holders that there’s very little benefit in the Premium Seats. It’s a double edged sword.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
What a load of bollocks. City have detailed the numbers of tickets they give out to each group for typical away games. If it's so "well-known" then prove it to me and I'll tackle the club. But people coming out with this stuff never manage to prove it.
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It is difficult for ordinary fans to prove it. But how do you explain 20 people from overseas ( Far East ) sat in a block at Chelsea.
I remember Arsenal a few years back when there were a load of Belgiums.
VK sorted them out, but this was probably from the players pool and years ago players did pool and sell on but not these days.
 
Bill said:
not ticket selling, the whole hospitality bit is what sells, the added attraction is they are guaranteed away tickets.
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Yes Bill but thats the point.
A Corporate will take say 6 maybe more tickets sell on most or maybe all to agency.
Imagine doing that on aways all season you can knock a few bob off the price of yours.
It is dead simple for the Club to buy a ticket from Stubhub or Viagogo and find out where it came from.
Will they do it. ? Don't hold your breath.
 
Wilmslow Road said:
It is difficult for ordinary fans to prove it. But how do you explain 20 people from overseas ( Far East ) sat in a block at Chelsea.
I remember Arsenal a few years back when there were a load of Belgiums.
VK sorted them out, but this was probably from the players pool and years ago players did pool and sell on but not these days.
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I and most away going fans can add to that list eg United for the last 3 seasons, Liverpool ,
 
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