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Charity shield this season I was surrounded by people who looked like they had never been to a game in their life.Didnt move when city scored, didn’t clap, sing or do anything all game except play on their phones and then left with about ten minutes to go. Can someone explain how they all had Cat 2 seats. Sunderland fans in our end at Wembley is another example, rags in our end at a recent derby, the list is endless. No point rewarding loyalty when it appears that for 40% of tickets it isn’t loyalty that is required it’s either who you know or money. You don’t even have to support City
 
Chappie said:
This paragraph doesn’t do you any favours
Maybe some of these loons know a lot more about how tickets are disposed of, from within the club than you do.
Maybe some of them know you are being told only what City want you to know at your meetings.
Maybe one or two of them will not tell you anymore for fear of club reprisals !!
You and the other members of the group will only get out of the club the things that they want too change.
This and other posts by me are not a criticism of you or the group I understand that you are all doing you're best .
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Don't tell me. You were at Roswell away when the aliens landed. Or perhaps we should waterboard Danny Wilson and Lisa Eaton until they spill the beans.

Seriously if anyone has got things to tell me then there's DM's or I'll give you my personal email address if you don't trust Bluemoon DM's. Your name never needs to come into it.
 
I don't think that BM members "fighting/insulting" each other is going to really get us anywhere. We can all (probably) cite instances of when we thought/knew that there were people who were not genuine City supporters but that is now in the past and we need to concentrate on the here and now and get things sorted out for either the rest of this season or starting next season. The people who represent us on the City Matters group are doing their best for the fans but they can only do so much. I have had quite a few dealings with the 2 people mentioned by PB and can never praise them enough. They have always been very supportive and done their best for me and other supporters that I know. They are City through and through and by that I mean they are also fans as well as employees.

The club can never win, they are doing their best, as far as I can see, by engaging with the supporters and listening to OUR representatives so I think it is time to just let them get on with it. We can never change the past let's just get on with looking (happily) to the future. After supporting this club through the bad days it is time to concentrate on the good times to come. Just my humble opinion.............. for what it's worth.
 
Bill said:
Why shouldn't the club make a killing off corporate ticket selling. Its straight forward business. They need to balance the books then make a profit, simples.
Surely nobody expected to watch the players we watch,the manager we have without something having to give. I say fair play that by and large they have left us,normal fans ,out of the expensive stuff. Our season tickets,compared to others,are damn cheap whilst we watch the best prem side that has ever taken to the field.
They need their money back, expecting anything else is pure delusion, if only to beat the corruption that is FFP.
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But surely the people making the most money out of it are the agencies anyway as they wouldn't bother if they can't have a huge mark up on the tickets.

I'm not remotely convinced that these fans have any interest in returning to watch city and to spend any money with the club in the future. It is a one off trip while they are on holiday and they are neutrals in a lot of cases (if not supporters of the opposition). That is what I have found from talking to for example the south African next to me at arsenal (when I asked him if he was planning to go to Manchester he said he was going to watch them play Chelsea before he went home), from talking to the Dutch lads before the game at Liverpool and to the French father and son behind us at arsenal on a different ocassion.

I really don't think that City are relying on this revenue to survive
 
Wilmslow Road said:
I remember Arsenal a few years back when there were a load of Belgiums.
VK sorted them out, but this was probably from the players pool and years ago players did pool and sell on but not these days.
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There were 150. Many in Belgium shirts and scarves. Friends with 10,000+ loyalty points missed out.
 
peoffrey said:
There were 150. Many in Belgium shirts and scarves. Friends with 10,000+ loyalty points missed out.
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Hajduk Split fans at Liverpool not supporting City
Dynamo Dresden fans at Huddersfield not supporting City
Liverpool fans at Liverpool
Arsenal fans at Arsenal
No celebrating and strange looks on two people’s faces in the little extra lower down bit at Old Trafford when we’ve scored

And probably more who just haven’t been sussed out and not made themselves known

All in our away ends.
 
Prestwich blue.

Has there been any talk about keeping the current system but policing it a little better?

Celtic away was a little extreme in the way it was policed but it ensured that whoever bought a ticket actually attended the game. This prevented or at least reduced the ability for supporters/groups of supporters buying and passing on so that they remain where they are in the queue.

If the club adopted a system where there were more checks to ensure that those that have bought the tickets use the tickets then I believe that they away allocation would go further down the ladder.

Proof of travel for European games for example could be one way of policing it a little better. All a supporter has to do is send city a scan of their boarding pass or hotel invoice. Points for the game get allocated once proof of travel is received.

Domestic games are a bit more tricky but let’s say city decided to make 15 or 20 percent of the tickets as collection on the day of the game and made it random then that would also deter supporters or groups of supporters buying with no intention of going.

I do feel a bit dirty suggesting that these could be ways to make the whole process a bit fairer because it hits actual supporters. I’d much rather city put us regular supporters, the ones that would be going whether we were good or shit, poor or rich before the corporate support that are far more prevalent at (big) away games than ever before. That’s unlikely to happen though and us who are scrapping for tickets simply have to accept that we can get taken over by anyone with a few bob regardless of how long they’ve been a season ticket holder. In an ideal world, these lot would be the 1st to be looked at and told to get to the back of the queue.

Also, do the club have a preference with regard the away support and how they get to and from an away game?

Would they have any interest in knowing who’s going and how? Supporters clubs and official travel partners will probably inform the club of season card numbers, names etc of who travelling with them. Is that a preferred way of doing things from the clubs perspective? Maybe I’m being a little paranoid but some of pushing for TC travel seems a bit controlling to me.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
If there's "row after row" then give me the details and I'll tackle the club. Unlike you, I'm not going to make wild, unsubstantiated claims without the evidence to back it up.

These tickets might be coming from the Supporters Club quite legitimately. If an overseas branch asks Kevin Parker for 10 tickets he might agree to give them these and that's the SC's business if they're coming out of their allocation. They might be coming from the club out of their own allocation. But unless we have the seat details then there's fuck all that can be done. The club genuinely do want to tackle abuse of the system.
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I don't think calling fellow supporters loons is helpful. I appreciate if you don't go to many London aways you might not have seen these groups of tourists (who definitely don't appear to be there on a supporters club outing) with your own eyes but if the people you are representing are telling you what they have seen I think you should take it seriously rather than calling them wild claims.

Everybody seems to acknowledge that it is a difficult job and I don't believe that anyone has been personally insulting to you (from what I've seen).
 
I think a lot of folk are wrong in thinking all the so called tourists in the away ends are getting there tickets from the folk in the rich seats if you look at our list of global partners on the website you cant tell me that if somebody from one of those companies wants 10 tickets for any match then he will get them and pass them on to somebody who they know these companies are giving the club a awful lot of money so it is tough

https://www.mancity.com/fans-and-community/club/partners/regional

https://www.mancity.com/fans-and-community/club/partners/global#
 
RACHACE said:
Prestwich blue.

Has there been any talk about keeping the current system but policing it a little better?

Celtic away was a little extreme in the way it was policed but it ensured that whoever bought a ticket actually attended the game. This prevented or at least reduced the ability for supporters/groups of supporters buying and passing on so that they remain where they are in the queue.

If the club adopted a system where there were more checks to ensure that those that have bought the tickets use the tickets then I believe that they away allocation would go further down the ladder.

Proof of travel for European games for example could be one way of policing it a little better. All a supporter has to do is send city a scan of their boarding pass or hotel invoice. Points for the game get allocated once proof of travel is received.

Domestic games are a bit more tricky but let’s say city decided to make 15 or 20 percent of the tickets as collection on the day of the game and made it random then that would also deter supporters or groups of supporters buying with no intention of going.

I do feel a bit dirty suggesting that these could be ways to make the whole process a bit fairer because it hits actual supporters. I’d much rather city put us regular supporters, the ones that would be going whether we were good or shit, poor or rich before the corporate support that are far more prevalent at (big) away games than ever before. That’s unlikely to happen though and us who are scrapping for tickets simply have to accept that we can get taken over by anyone with a few bob regardless of how long they’ve been a season ticket holder. In an ideal world, these lot would be the 1st to be looked at and told to get to the back of the queue.

Also, do the club have a preference with regard the away support and how they get to and from an away game?

Would they have any interest in knowing who’s going and how? Supporters clubs and official travel partners will probably inform the club of season card numbers, names etc of who travelling with them. Is that a preferred way of doing things from the clubs perspective? Maybe I’m being a little paranoid but some of pushing for TC travel seems a bit controlling to me.
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It's only the fans who have got tickets through points who will be punished by any ticket checks. I emailed Colin a few weeks ago regarding checks and a few other things bit I've since changed my mind as the club will not punish the corps or supporters clubs if their tickets are ending in others hands. It will be the person who has fell ill the day before a game and had to offload his ticket because the club don't allow returns within 7 days of the game.

There are points whores I'm sure but they are not the biggest problem and they are likely to be the ones punished by any changes, including the 18-25 ballot as we've seen.
 
wolfie1988 said:
It's only the fans who have got tickets through points who will be punished by any ticket checks. I emailed Colin a few weeks ago regarding checks and a few other things bit I've since changed my mind as the club will not punish the corps or supporters clubs if their tickets are ending in others hands. It will be the person who has fell ill the day before a game and had to offload his ticket because the club don't allow returns within 7 days of the game.

There are points whores I'm sure but they are not the biggest problem and they are likely to be the ones punished by any changes, including the 18-25 ballot as we've seen.
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Yeah I know what you mean mate. For me the club should see SC members, corporates and your independent away going supporter as just 1 group of supporters, treat us all the same and give us all the same opportunity to attend away games.

I’ve banged on and on about the unfairness of the system but I’ve come to the conclusion that any changes that end up being made are more than likely going to make it even more difficult for me as a mid pointer to get my hands on away tickets.

Even at Celtic away when checks were made, I doubt those with wristbands (who I came across in a few of the pubs pre match) probably didn’t have to queue. Seeing as the one that I was unfortunate enough to end up in a conversation with didn’t even have a season ticket it’s clear that your average supporter is the one that’ll be penalised by any changes.

As a supporter who’s right in the middle where points are concerned I’m edging towards a system that protects those that go every game with the rest of the tickets (minus the corporate and players tickets) going to a ballot. My wife and I would then just apply for every away game and go to the ones we’re lucky enough to get a ticket for.
 
wolfie1988 said:
It's only the fans who have got tickets through points who will be punished by any ticket checks. I emailed Colin a few weeks ago regarding checks and a few other things bit I've since changed my mind as the club will not punish the corps or supporters clubs if their tickets are ending in others hands. It will be the person who has fell ill the day before a game and had to offload his ticket because the club don't allow returns within 7 days of the game.

There are points whores I'm sure but they are not the biggest problem and they are likely to be the ones punished by any changes, including the 18-25 ballot as we've seen.
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Why would the 18-25 ballot punish the points whores?
 
RACHACE said:
Yeah I know what you mean mate. For me the club should see SC members, corporates and your independent away going supporter as just 1 group of supporters, treat us all the same and give us all the same opportunity to attend away games.

I’ve banged on and on about the unfairness of the system but I’ve come to the conclusion that any changes that end up being made are more than likely going to make it even more difficult for me as a mid pointer to get my hands on away tickets.

Even at Celtic away when checks were made, I doubt those with wristbands (who I came across in a few of the pubs pre match) probably didn’t have to queue. Seeing as the one that I was unfortunate enough to end up in a conversation with didn’t even have a season ticket it’s clear that your average supporter is the one that’ll be penalised by any changes.

As a supporter who’s right in the middle where points are concerned I’m edging towards a system that protects those that go every game with the rest of the tickets (minus the corporate and players tickets) going to a ballot. My wife and I would then just apply for every away game and go to the ones we’re lucky enough to get a ticket for.
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As a matter of interest would you still go if you got a ticket and the better half didnt ?
I go with the lad its either both of us or neither
 
RACHACE said:
Prestwich blue.

Has there been any talk about keeping the current system but policing it a little better?

Celtic away was a little extreme in the way it was policed but it ensured that whoever bought a ticket actually attended the game. This prevented or at least reduced the ability for supporters/groups of supporters buying and passing on so that they remain where they are in the queue.

If the club adopted a system where there were more checks to ensure that those that have bought the tickets use the tickets then I believe that they away allocation would go further down the ladder.

Proof of travel for European games for example could be one way of policing it a little better. All a supporter has to do is send city a scan of their boarding pass or hotel invoice. Points for the game get allocated once proof of travel is received.

Domestic games are a bit more tricky but let’s say city decided to make 15 or 20 percent of the tickets as collection on the day of the game and made it random then that would also deter supporters or groups of supporters buying with no intention of going.

I do feel a bit dirty suggesting that these could be ways to make the whole process a bit fairer because it hits actual supporters. I’d much rather city put us regular supporters, the ones that would be going whether we were good or shit, poor or rich before the corporate support that are far more prevalent at (big) away games than ever before. That’s unlikely to happen though and us who are scrapping for tickets simply have to accept that we can get taken over by anyone with a few bob regardless of how long they’ve been a season ticket holder. In an ideal world, these lot would be the 1st to be looked at and told to get to the back of the queue.

Also, do the club have a preference with regard the away support and how they get to and from an away game?

Would they have any interest in knowing who’s going and how? Supporters clubs and official travel partners will probably inform the club of season card numbers, names etc of who travelling with them. Is that a preferred way of doing things from the clubs perspective? Maybe I’m being a little paranoid but some of pushing for TC travel seems a bit controlling to me.
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Yes there has been talk about limited, random ID checks. The club admitted they got Celtic wrong (though if we'd been around at that time we could have told them that) but aren't averse to checking a smaller number of tickets. And it's unlikely to be a 'one-strike-and-you're-out' situation and nor is there any intention of punishing the person who bought the ticket. But it's all still under discussion. I'd like to ensure that any checks are done across the board and that includes 18-25 year-olds, supporters clubs and seasonal hospitality customers. But I only represent seasoncard holders so my major priority is to ensure the points system isn't being abused. If hospitality customers are passing on tickets to ordinary seasoncard holders out of their allocation then that's not exactly my problem. What does concern me is that, as a seasonal hospitality customer you've got far more chance of getting a ticket when there's maybe 2,500 getting 450 tickets, rather than 40,000 seasoncard holders getting 1,800.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
But I only represent seasoncard holders so my major priority is to ensure the points system isn't being abused. If hospitality customers are passing on tickets to ordinary seasoncard holders out of their allocation then that's not exactly my problem. What does concern me is that, as a seasonal hospitality customer you've got far more chance of getting a ticket when there's maybe 2,500 getting 450 tickets, rather than 40,000 seasoncard holders getting 1,800.
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But surely seasonal hospitality buying tickets to pass on does hurt those you represent, as they aren’t getting tickets through their points due to people buying them to pass on.
Furthermore, whilst I appreciate that you think everyone should be checked, there’s no way in hell it will be a corporate customer.
Would it also mean people having to get to the ground even earlier to go through yet another level of checks? As you know it took nearly half an hour to get into the King Power.
 
City know corporates are buying tickets to pass on, they'll even give the points to the season ticket holder they're passing it on to!
 
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