Madeleine McCann

[The blue phantom]

Would you give your kids sweets though?

I know you're having a pop at Cityfan and personally its in no way comparable to leaving your child alone. Some parents i guess see things different, its like me, I absolutely fuckin hate any parent slapping their children, I know I'm probably in the minority with this, but its how a feel, i couldn't even think about giving my young daughter even a light smack on the hand, a cunts trick imo.

 

[west didsblue]

Not at all just don't jump to insult folk who put their kids to bed have a meal within eyeshot of their apparent and check on them regularly.

Did they have their binoculars with them or a telescope? And were they equipped with NVG?
Here's the view from where they were sat. The apartment is to the left of the light through the window.

 

[Fame Monster]

Normally when I first get into my hotel after a flight, I throw my suitcase in the corner, chill out on the bed for 10 minutes and gradually unpack. Now given that the sniffer dogs barked in the corner, then in the wardrobe then Iater on at the Mccanns’ clothes, it kinda makes you wonder whether anyone checked the Mccanns’ suitcase for Maddy?

 

[Ban-jani]

I've been in that scenario since i first took my lad abroad aged 3 on his first holiday, he's never ever been put in bed whilst me and the wife went out for a meal and on one holiday our apartment was next to the restaurant and he wouldn't have been 20 feet away never mind 75 metres!!

He was always with us until he fell asleep and then we'd take him to bed and if not too late have a drink on our veranda, even when he got older we let he run around with other kids on whatever complex we were on but never once was he left alone.



Sod the kids was exactly what they were thinking, they didn't want the burden of them sat at their table over a meal, what sort of fucking group of people are like this on a holiday, seems they all thought it was normal behaviour, unbelievable imo.

Well I’m sure you’re an excellent father, it sounds like it.

The thing to realise here though is that they were in a large group with multiple kids, having them all lying around sleeping, failing to sleep or refusing to sleep wouldn’t have been realistic for a group that size at dinner. Plus we know that the booking opportunities were slim there and they had to book that table all week, the options of a larger table weren’t possible.

This all sounds very unimportant when you factor in a child got abducted as a result of this but the thought of abduction wouldn’t have factored into their thinking as it hadn’t happened like that, to a British family, in a holiday resort, ever before.

In hindsight they should have used the crèche but the resort was so much of a family one, where practically zero crime had been reported, they felt safe enough to leave them in the apartment, whilst they ate next door.

If they did think sod the kids, they wouldn’t have routinely checked on them.

Was it laxed parenting? Probably a little but having stayed in a similar resort to that, you never come across anyone other than people who work there or other families, the atmosphere in the place would have made it seem like it was the safest place in the world and it was safe to leave them 77m away.

Of course now no one would do such as a thing as it’s happened to this poor child, we now know that even the most family oriented resorts are subject to abduction gangs.

 

[west didsblue]

Would you give your kids sweets though?

Only boiled sweets but not before they were 6 months old.

 

[Thaksinssoldier]

Their lawyers might be mate.

People can laugh all they want, but it's pretty much being proven their pr company and their family engaged in trying to manage/moderate forums about this.

His sister was pretty much confirmed as being the person who got sky news to run an article on one mentally ill women who ultimately killed herself over the harassment she received. The Richard D Hall youtube videos cover this in depth and was able to show the silhouetted woman in the sky pieces as his sister. He caught them on forums just like this one, using divide and conquer tactics and trying to spin the "poor them" narrative.

These people are utter, utter dirtbags. I don't care if they have doctorates, they are gutter people.

 

[Dubai Blue]

In hindsight they should have used the crèche but the resort was so much of a family one, where practically zero crime had been reported, they felt safe enough to leave them in the apartment, whilst they ate next door.

...the atmosphere in the place would have made it seem like it was the safest place in the world and it was safe to leave them 77m away.

The key issue for me is that there's a huge difference between being next door and being 77 metres away. Had they genuinely been just next door, within clear ear and eye shot of the apartment, you could just about understand the logic of their decision. But they weren't; they were too far away to be of any use in preventing something serious from happening. As you say, it was lax parenting and unfortunately they now know that better than anyone.

 

[Fame Monster]

Another theory that I’ve thought of...the McCanns had Maddy via IVF and they are devout Catholics. Now the Catholic Church tends to be suspicious about things like IVF so maybe the McCanns were mindful of this and Gerry was mindful of the rumours that Maddy wasn’t his and given that they just had the twins via more ‘natural’ methods, maybe they decided to fly to Portugal and give Maddy away to an international paedophile ring?

 

[inchy14]

Well I’m sure you’re an excellent father, it sounds like it.

The thing to realise here though is that they were in a large group with multiple kids, having them all lying around sleeping, failing to sleep or refusing to sleep wouldn’t have been realistic for a group that size at dinner. Plus we know that the booking opportunities were slim there and they had to book that table all week, the options of a larger table weren’t possible.

This all sounds very unimportant when you factor in a child got abducted as a result of this but the thought of abduction wouldn’t have factored into their thinking as it hadn’t happened like that, to a British family, in a holiday resort, ever before.

In hindsight they should have used the crèche but the resort was so much of a family one, where practically zero crime had been reported, they felt safe enough to leave them in the apartment, whilst they ate next door.

If they did think sod the kids, they wouldn’t have routinely checked on them.

Was it laxed parenting? Probably a little but having stayed in a similar resort to that, you never come across anyone other than people who work there or other families, the atmosphere in the place would have made it seem like it was the safest place in the world and it was safe to leave them 77m away.

Of course now no one would do such as a thing as it’s happened to this poor child, we now know that even the most family oriented resorts are subject to abduction gangs.

Mate like all parents i've made plenty of mistakes, none of us are perfect and unfortunately kids don't come with a manual.

I disagree with your view on this but not going to continue as we'll end up going round in circles.

What i will say is a i agree totally with @Dubai Blue above, 77 metres is nowhere near next door unless you live on a farm!! And the image from the page previous shows the view they had.

 

[Ban-jani]

The key issue for me is that there's a huge difference between being next door and 77 metres away. Had they genuinely been just next door, within clear ear and eye shot of the apartment, you could just about understand the logic of their decision. But they weren't; they were too far away to be of any use in preventing something serious from happening. As you say, it was lax parenting and unfortunately they now know that better than anyone.

Technically they were next door, I appreciate not in ear shot.

 

[Ban-jani]

Did they have their binoculars with them or a telescope? And were they equipped with NVG?
Here's the view from where they were sat. The apartment is to the left of the light through the window.

That wasn’t the image shared on the documentary. It’s quite clearly from a media source and it’s pretty evident the media acted appallingly.

 

[Ghandi's Flip Flops]

There has been a fair amount of footage and pictures of Maddie on that holiday used in both the documentaries and by the police/media.

More so than I can ever remember my family holidays having.

Are you making this up as you go along?

There was only 5 photos of Madeline from that holiday that were passed onto the portugese police. 3 were verified from the first day (as the they had the same clothes on from footage taken when they got off the plane), then there was 'tennis ball' photo and finally the pool photo.
Please point me in the direction of any other photos from that holiday, because as far as i am aware all the other photos used by the media wasn't from that holiday.

 

[west didsblue]

That wasn’t the image shared on the documentary. It’s quite clearly from a media source and it’s pretty evident the media acted appallingly.

It's from this page.
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/TAPAS_BAR.htm#tapas

 

[tonea2003]

That wasn’t the image shared on the documentary. It’s quite clearly from a media source and it’s pretty evident the media acted appallingly.

if that is the view, its the view, who cares from what source

 

[Ban-jani]

Mate like all parents i've made plenty of mistakes, none of us are perfect and unfortunately kids don't come with a manual.

I disagree with your view on this but not going to continue as we'll end up going round in circles.

What i will say is a i agree totally with @Dubai Blue above, 77 metres is nowhere near next door unless you live on a farm!! And the image from the page previous shows the view they had.

Absolutely true, everyone makes mistakes. In fact one of my earliest memories was being left outside nursery for an hour as my mum didn’t realise the times had changed, I was sat on the doorstep waiting for an hour in the middle of a town, anything could have happened.

I agree we should start to wind up this now, our views aren’t too dissimilar, it’s just I think we should give them more of a benefit of the doubt as it may have felt different if we were part of the group.

 

[laughing gravy]

That wasn’t the image shared on the documentary. It’s quite clearly from a media source and it’s pretty evident the media acted appallingly.

are you gerry mccann? as your not half stinking up for the cunts dont you realise their actions cost a child at worst her life..

 

[Ban-jani]

Are you making this up as you go along?

There was only 5 photos of Madeline from that holiday that were passed onto the portugese police. 3 were verified from the first day (as the they had the same clothes on from footage taken when they got off the plane), then there was 'tennis ball' photo and finally the pool photo.
Please point me in the direction of any other photos from that holiday, because as far as i am aware all the other photos used by the media wasn't from that holiday.

No I’m not, I’ve seen the documentary.

What about the video footage as well? You’ve completely missed all of that off.

 

[Ban-jani]

It's from this page.
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/TAPAS_BAR.htm#tapas

The one from the documentary had them being able to view the apartment through the plastic window.

 

[Ban-jani]

if that is the view, its the view, who cares from what source

Absolutely, I want to be sure it’s the right one, that’s all.

It’s different to the documentary one.

 

[Ban-jani]

are you gerry mccann? as your not half stinking up for the cunts dont you realise their actions cost a child at worst her life..

No I’m not, I’m trying to be objective and provide a bit of balance compared to the usual bile that goes their way.