Var debate 2019/20

OB1 said:
This is the key point for me. I said on post match thread:

In theory VAR should favour us in the long run but last night that Sterling goal getting chalked off was simply one of my worst moments in nearly 50 years of being a season ticket holder - not that I actually used my seat last night (had to give it away due to being at work 200 miles from MCR) - I celebrated like a maniac and I'm one of those guys that often checks the liner has not flagged before getting carried away. A horrible fucking experience - cruel and unusual punishment.
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Yeah, with you on that one, bud. The worst moment of my City-supporting life. So cruel.
 
Hitting his arm alters the angle the ball hits his hip and propels it towards goal, that is why it should have been disallowed. The referee was initially looking at two different angles and chose to concentrate on the one least favourable to us. Neither of those angles was the best to judge the offence from.
 
I think I am not too bitter because I am now used to being cheated by UEFA. A part people are not talking about is that Ederson got fouled before the goal and the referee let it stand.

As soon as the referee was going to check the VAR screen, I just knew the people in the VAR room will not show the referee that angle that was quite clear that Llorente used his elbow.

It is time we get this Champions League knockout phases right. If we are not blowing our opponents away, we will get cheated.
 
BosnianBlue said:
VAR could never be as corrupt as Premier League referees and nobody in the league will feel more positive effects from it than us.
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Then why did we get that bent ref from last year as well, and why was he only shown one angle.


I know I'm hanging on with the PL but it's all I've got now
 
Jaskosss said:


The 3rd angle of llorentes goal. Clearly handball. Was never showed to the ref when he went to the screen. Goal would never have stood if they showed him this replay. I love VAR and this is all on those cnts in the review boot. And they ask us why we boo the anthem.
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I'm pretty sure they saw the handball but didn't give it because it wasn't deliberate (his hand was up against his body). This wouldn't be the case next season.
The issue is the way VAR decisions are given. There is not communication of tge decision making process to the crowd or TV audience.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
Eh? That still has the ball right on him. you can see it.

It definitely isn't near Eriksen's feet
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I would prefer to see the next frame of action, as on that photo the ball hasn’t left Bernie yet, if you zoom in it’s just on its way to hitting his leg.
 
VAR is a great concept poorly implemented. The offside was marginal but probably right. The handball was wrong: having more angles and not giving the ref access is just criminal. I think all three of Spurs' goals could have been avoided by good keeping/defending though.
 
inbetween said:
By the way, watch the ref after he gives their goal, he motions to the hip.

He didn't see the handball in the VAR because the angle we all saw wasn't given to him.
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This is the most galling thing from last night. The goal would 100% have been disallowed if they’d have given the ref all of the camera angles. It still would have been a harsh handball, but you know for sure that this is how they’ve been applying the law with VAR handballs and the goal would never have stood. But TV decided they didn’t want us to go through. This is the top and bottom of it.

There needs to be transparency. Who decides what is reviewed? We need to see and hear from them. Who provides the camera angles to the ref? Who decides when to use slow-mo and when to make it more difficult for the ref to spot? We need to see and hear from them. Who came up with “clear and obvious error” and why is it clearly and obviously not being used? We need to see and hear from them. What is the referee deciding he’s seen once he makes his judgement? We need to hear from them. Every stage of the process needs to be laid bare for all to see. If it isn’t, then it’s masking corruption, simple as.
 
In spite of all this in some ways its reassuring to know that City is and will always be City...

Make the job 10 times harder for ourselves via missed penalties, comedy defending by our best defender, concede controversial fluke.

And yet... we still drag ourselves to within a gnats cock width of getting the result!

This is what we are and why it will never be routine, and it will do for me.
 
Most of the time VAR will arrive at the right decision, however, what will be ruined will be that glorious moment of celebrating the minute the ball hits the net whilst having a quick glance to see has the flag been raised.
 
mosssideblue said:
I wasn't discussing the handball rule

My point is that Rugby have a transparent VAR system that enables everyone to see and listen what has been challenged and a decision is reached a lot quicker than in football. There is a current and proven VAR model that works - I wonder why football doesn't embrace that rather than to try and reinvent the wheel (no need to answer that, I think we all know why)
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I have long held the notion that the goons 'governing' the game have been reluctant to learn from other sports simply on the basis that football can learn nothing from them. And all the time, rugby, tennis and cricket get on with organising a system that, although not totally 100% in every aspect, is a million miles better than the shit system football has developed. Last night confirms that the Uefa VAR model is a beta test and it is being tested up and down in some places and games, but not in others, not shown on the screen as in other sports, and they seem totally dead set against anyone seeing what they are looking at. There will always be argument as to 'fact' in fast moving sports but the way football has arrived at their system and how it is being applied leaves more than just a question mark above fans' heads!
 
I've also freeze framed the offside goal and I dont think it's offside at all. When Erikson passes the ball, Sergio is not offside and the very frame Bernardo first touches the ball to deflect the ball Aguero is level. One frame later and Aguero is offside.
The offside rule was changed last season to reflect offside is measured when contact is first made with the ball.
 
bewildered said:
In spite of all this in some ways its reassuring to know that City is and will always be City...

Make the job 10 times harder for ourselves via missed penalties, comedy defending by our best defender, concede controversial fluke.

And yet... we still drag ourselves to within a gnats cock width of getting the result!

This is what we are and why it will never be routine, and it will do for me.
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If it wasn't City I wouldn't believe it if someone described how that match would pan out.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Yes, where have you been all your football watching life? The ball can hit your hand and it not be hand ball.
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Mark Halsey says not a goal because the attacker gained an advantage. He said every referee would have disallowed it had they seen the correct angle. He also said you can't give Otamendi's handball against Schalke and then allow the Spurs goal. He said the Eufa iinstruction to refs means the goal should have been disallowed. I am not a qualified referee but that seems very persuasive to me. I always remember Goater's "late winner that never was" at Old Trafford. The ball bounced up accidentally hitting Anelka's arm before he crossed to the Goat. Anelka didn't control it deliberately but he did gain an advantage. The goal was correctly disallowed.
 
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