Var debate 2019/20

cptaidan88 said:
I thought the VAR decisions were correct, but I never wanted it introduced in the first place.

The majority of the moaners on here are the same ones that wanted it introduced last year. At some point you've got to stop looking to blame external influences and look at the decisions of the manager and the performances of the players. Last night was an excellent performance, admittedly not perfect - but it should have been enough. The deficit from the the first leg and individual errors in both meant Tottenham were always in the game.

We've now won 4 knock out ties in 8 years, and those came against Kyiv, PSG, Basel, and Schalke. That is unacceptable with the talent we've had at our disposal in that time. In each of Guardiola's seasons, we've been knocked out because he and the players fucked up the first leg. He's a wonderful manager and we have wonderful players but we need to address our own issues and stop looking for excuses.
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Why do you think the handball decision was correct? On what basis?
 
cptaidan88 said:
I thought the VAR decisions were correct, but I never wanted it introduced in the first place.

The majority of the moaners on here are the same ones that wanted it introduced last year. At some point you've got to stop looking to blame external influences and look at the decisions of the manager and the performances of the players. Last night was an excellent performance, admittedly not perfect - but it should have been enough. The deficit from the the first leg and individual errors in both meant Tottenham were always in the game.

We've now won 4 knock out ties in 8 years, and those came against Kyiv, PSG, Basel, and Schalke. That is unacceptable with the talent we've had at our disposal in that time. In each of Guardiola's seasons, we've been knocked out because he and the players fucked up the first leg. He's a wonderful manager and we have wonderful players but we need to address our own issues and stop looking for excuses.
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The first leg could have gone better and had Sergio buried the pen then last night would have vindicated anything that went on in the tie. It's the result that matters. 1-1 in Haringey and, despite the shite from VAR last night, the tie is won and we await a semi with the mighty Ajax. The first leg was hardly fucked up. 1-0 in the first leg is hardly putting the tie out of reach! There are several reasons why we failed to overcome Haringey Hotspurs and it wouldn't make much sense in focusing on one and suggesting that was THE reason. We have all spoken with great admiration of the talent that is Laporte. The pass to Bernardo in the Carabao was an absolute gem, but would anyone pre-match have suggested that he would have a mistake-laden that led to three goals? If you want a reason why we are out then make a pyramid of footballs starting by building a square inside the pitch and piling balls on top and topping out. Count the balls. That will give you the reasons why we lost last the tie!
 
Dan B said:
Spurs fan in peace.

Firstly, I think your players were absolutely amazing last night. You were the better team and probably should have won.

On the flip side, we do not have your resources, and had our star man missing. We only had 2 fit centre midfielders (although Wanyama is barely fit at all), and one of those went off injured.

Our players showed amazing fight and spirit to even compete against you.

It is a crying shame that some of your fans wish to solely blame VAR. If you were on the other side of those decisions you wouldn’t be seeing things this way.

OK, so if it brushed Llorente’s arm, was his arm in an unnatural position? That is the current rule. You were happy to get a penalty for Rose’s block? The goal was given, and I cannot say there was a ‘clear and obvious error’ to overturn it. Most angles are not even conclusive!

The offside was offside. This is a line decision. It can’t be disputed.

I feel like your old school fans are taking it like men, but maybe the new fans you have attracted are the ones who sound like the victimised Scousers.

Your team is amazing and you lost a really tight game. Be proud. Don’t just blame VAR and UEFA - you are a better club than that.
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I see what you are saying but my beef is the inconsistency that is still there, the Rose decision for me was no penalty but it was given, we had similar against Otamendi in Germany where they gave the penalty without having any TV for the ref to actually look at. This then to me says the Llorente one should be given as a foul as that is how they are choosing to interpret this events.

So forgive me for being a little pissed off with the system. It no reflection on your side.

Good luck in the semi final but you may yet be on the receiving end, I expect you will if you play the Dippers as they are one of Europe's golden chosen clubs - fuck knows why with their track record off the pitch
 
MUEN.

VAR was introduced in the Champions League knockout phase this season and is operated by a video assistant referee, his assistant and two video operators.

MEN Sport asked Uefa who makes the decision on which angles the referee sees but they have offered no answer as yet.They indicated that there is a dialogue between the referee and the VAR – and that the control room has every available camera feed.

That leaves open the question as to why the referee repeatedly watched an angle from which the handball was not apparent.

A Uefa spokesperson simply said when asked to comment: “All relevant angles were made available to the referee to take his decision last night.”
 
cptaidan88 said:
I thought the VAR decisions were correct, but I never wanted it introduced in the first place.

The majority of the moaners on here are the same ones that wanted it introduced last year. At some point you've got to stop looking to blame external influences and look at the decisions of the manager and the performances of the players. Last night was an excellent performance, admittedly not perfect - but it should have been enough. The deficit from the the first leg and individual errors in both meant Tottenham were always in the game.

We've now won 4 knock out ties in 8 years, and those came against Kyiv, PSG, Basel, and Schalke. That is unacceptable with the talent we've had at our disposal in that time. In each of Guardiola's seasons, we've been knocked out because he and the players fucked up the first leg. He's a wonderful manager and we have wonderful players but we need to address our own issues and stop looking for excuses.
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I was one of them who wanted var but I always said it all depends on who is in charge of it .
 
Cant imagine after last year's CL debacle and the Boly handball (that may yet cost us the title that really matters) that any City fan would not want VAR. The problem is not with the concept, it's the way it is implemented. How is it that in cricket (not exactly a space age sport), the umpire has multiple angles to make the correct decision, yet here there is one angle which may or may not show anything?
 
Why don’t UEFA 3D, 360, software, where the VAR officlas can freeze that moment, spin the player around, zoom in and out, view form any angle, etc, to show exactly where the ball is?

It’s used in movies, etc.

But we talking about UEFA.
 
jrb said:
Why don’t UEFA 3D, 360, software, where the VAR officlas can freeze that moment, spin the player around, zoom in and out, view form any angle etc.

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I award you today's top prize* for the 'Rhetorical Question of the Day'! The application of any electronic system that show what actually happened is a system that Uefa might not favour!

*Top prize is an all expenses paid Wembley Club ticket for this season's Carabao Cup Final
 
VAR isn't the problem, the implementation and lack of communication is. Offside is offside, no complaints with that one. But with the handball, it's handball as far as I am concerned but if it isn't, for whatever reason, then the ref should explain that decision* to the crowd along with the footage so everyone is clear and then no one can have any complaints

* I appreciate language capabilities may be an issue but I'm sure there is away around that
 
jrb said:
Why don’t UEFA 3D, 360, software, where the VAR officlas can freeze that moment, spin the player around, zoom in and out, view form any angle, etc, to show exactly where the ball is?

It’s used in movies, etc.

But we talking about UEFA.
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Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
I award you today's top prize* for the 'Rhetorical Question of the Day'! The application of any electronic system that show what actually happened is a system that Uefa might not favour!

*Top prize is an all expenses paid Wembley Club ticket for this season's Carabao Cup Final
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Too expensive to have at every single ground in Europe. It's also completely unnecessary, we've got 50 odd cameras picking everything up, the camera system isn't the problem.
 
It seems like a lot of news outlets including Talk Shite are reporting that the goal shouldn’t have stood. If as is posted on here the ref was not given access to the more crucial camera angles that is a fucking disgrace.

I’m all for VAR but if we don’t do it properly we might as well not have it all.
 
domalino said:
Too expensive to have at every single ground in Europe. It's also completely unnecessary, we've got 50 odd cameras picking everything up, the camera system isn't the problem.
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CHEAPER VERSION..mate
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