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Ifwecouldjust....... said:
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urban genie said:
Hopeful of what?

No deal will fuck over us all, I don't give a fuck if we leave anymore, but we need to leave with some kind of plan not this sociopaths jingoistic, I think this is 1899 bollocks.

We are a tiny island that has sold off it's infrastructure and class being an international forve on 50 years ago and ownership some islands dotted across the globe.

We are Italy, we scandinavian nations we are portugal.

Like them we are an old spent empire and now just another nation now just getting by,.
No point trying to be living off past glories in an echo chamber of warped minds (Johnson, moggy etc) that is leading us into an abys of shitness.
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Short answer to your, IMO, unnecessary slagging off of the UK

Hopeful that what the majority of UK citizens certainly voted for is actually delivered:

To, as a minimum, leave the EU and that certainly includes leaving the SM and CU
 
mcfc1632 said:
Short answer to your attack of the UK

Hopeful that what the majority of UK citizens certainly voted for is actually delivered:

To, as a minimum, leave the EU and that certainly includes leaving the SM and CU
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Attack on the UK

Give over I am as proud as anyone to be English and from here, but I am not so blinded to see that we are not the world power Boris thinks we are anymore, and you know there is no shame in being just another country getting by best we can.

I am happy to leave the EU, however not on a no deal exit terms
 
mcfc1632 said:
Which proves my point - Chippy I suspect would support a GE if a Tory victory was pretty much guaranteed
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I knew he would win because the financial crash had not yet happenes and the tories were in flux, I was at the time confident of a win, even if he would have been on shakey ground I wpuld expect any incoming PM to call an election as a coutersy to the populace


I am not so sure labour would win if an election was called today, butbatill think it is the correct thing to do everytime a PM changes hands mid parliamentry term.
 
Blue Hefner said:
That is not a realistic outcome. Do you seriously think the first act of the new PM would be to sit on his/her hands for 3 months? Then the 2nd act of what we be a very short lived role, would to be to explain to the country why it has flushed itself down the toilet?
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You make it sound like 'doing nothing'

The machinations of the Remainer majority at Westminster requires assertiveness to get Brexit over the line.

This. 'doing nothing', would seem a very positive approach to focus the minds of the EU and their Westminster acolytes on making the changes needed in the WAB to protect the future of the UK

Those on here that have said, since July 2016, versions of:

'We will not see any movement from the EU until they face the viable prospect of a walk-away (no-deal) and the political will do enact that policy'

have been, IMO, proven to have been correct for the best part of 3 years
 
Blue Hefner said:
They were taking about the survival of the Party on the radio earlier with Sir Nicholas Soames(?) (Churchill’s grandson) - his point is that 14 million people voted Tory at the last election, so they need to look at the country as a whole rather than the relatively small number of members(100’000) who are generally speaking white and getting on a bit - they need to appeal to a broad church and pushing for a no-deal is not the way to do that

We have already threatened no-deal and it didn’t work. That’s why we are in this mess
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We actually did not (genuinely) threaten no-deal - which is indeed why we are in this mess
 
blueinsa said:
Soames is a remainer.

He would say that yet he knows his views right now are largely irrelevant as this is now a battle to save the party.

Its why Rudd, probably a shoe in for the PM job at any other time knows she hasnt got a chance as she is seen as pro EU.
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As a Leaver, not a Conservative Party supporter, I am concerned that there may be some shenanigans to have the next CP leader selected from a different process than the formal membership
 
urban genie said:
Attack on the UK

Give over I am as proud as anyone to be English and from here, but I am not so blinded to see that we are not the world power Boris thinks we are anymore, and you know there is no shame in being just another country getting by best we can.

I am happy to leave the EU, however not on a no deal exit terms
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I am not someone that hankers after the past status of the UK and I accept that we have to recognise our 'actual' status in 2019 - your tirade seemed a bit OTT IMO
 
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Len Rum said:
I'm sure the next Tory PM will threaten it.
And then blink.
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Most of the candidates will threaten it to win the nomination although only Johnson (so far) has been dumb enough to say we will leave on 31st October which we won’t.

It’s remarkable to see that the candidates are just parroting everything May has been saying for the last three years having seemingly learnt nothing from the negotiations with the EU to date. Ah well. You can’t fix stupid I guess.
 
mcfc1632 said:
I am not someone that hankers after the past status of the UK and I accept that we have to recognise the 'actual' status I 2019 - your tirade seemed a bit OTT IMO
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Fair enough

I was just being blunt tbf as I keep seeing vox pops with peolple waffling on about "we don't need europe or anyone, we won 2 world wars" or "we were an empire once"


This nonsense has been fed by dicks like johnson and franscois and it skewering the real chance of getting a decent exit.
 
urban genie said:
Fair enough

I was just being blunt tbf as I keep seeing vox pops with peolple waffling on about "we don't need europe or anyone, we won 2 world wars" or "we were an empire once"


This nonsense has been fed by dicks like johnson and franscois and it skewering the real chance of getting a decent exit.
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Francois said only 2 days ago, that the plan to leave, without a deal, will immediately mean that we negotiate a deal.

And we will then get tariff free access to the EU market.

I wonder how many people, voting for it, believe that.
 
mcfc1632 said:
You make it sound like 'doing nothing'

The machinations of the Remainer majority at Westminster requires assertiveness to get Brexit over the line.

This. 'doing nothing', would seem a very positive approach to focus the minds of the EU and their Westminster acolytes on making the changes needed in the WAB to protect the future of the UK

Those on here that have said, since July 2016, versions of:

'We will not see any movement from the EU until they face the viable prospect of a walk-away (no-deal) and the political will do enact that policy'

have been, IMO, proven to have been correct for the best part of 3 years
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Not proven until there's the political will to walk away, and there is still then no movement. They didn't exactly seem panicked on 28 March. The panic was that one of the 27 might veto the extension.

But on what democratic basis do we just say we'll walk away with no deal? Can you furnish a quote from any of the Tory leadership candidates that suggests they were campaigning in the referendum for "no deal"? Or from Farage? We could be like Norway - or negotiate a new free trade deal with the EU.

Au contraire, Johnson was campaigning for a no vote as a mechanism to get the EU to renegotiate a better deal on concessions than Cameron got - with the assumption that. having got those concessions, we would then have another referendum....

https://www.politicshome.com/news/u...johnson-vote-leave-get-better-eu-deal-britain
 
mcfc1632 said:
You make it sound like 'doing nothing'

The machinations of the Remainer majority at Westminster requires assertiveness to get Brexit over the line.

This. 'doing nothing', would seem a very positive approach to focus the minds of the EU and their Westminster acolytes on making the changes needed in the WAB to protect the future of the UK

Those on here that have said, since July 2016, versions of:

'We will not see any movement from the EU until they face the viable prospect of a walk-away (no-deal) and the political will do enact that policy'

have been, IMO, proven to have been correct for the best part of 3 years
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Looking forward to reading your solution to the Irish Border then ...... unless of course, like many Brexiteers are starting to mention, You throw Northern Ireland under the wheels of the bus by allowing a referendum on reunification with Ireland and the consequent breakup of the United Kingdom
 
Vic said:
Not proven until there's the political will to walk away, and there is still then no movement. They didn't exactly seem panicked on 28 March. The panic was that one of the 27 might veto the extension.

But on what democratic basis do we just say we'll walk away with no deal? Can you furnish a quote from any of the Tory leadership candidates that suggests they were campaigning in the referendum for "no deal"? Or from Farage? We could be like Norway - or negotiate a new free trade deal with the EU.

Au contraire, Johnson was campaigning for a no vote as a mechanism to get the EU to renegotiate a better deal on concessions than Cameron got - with the assumption that. having got those concessions, we would then have another referendum....

https://www.politicshome.com/news/u...johnson-vote-leave-get-better-eu-deal-britain
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The more you read back on what these absolute cunts said & did, the more sickening it gets.

And still millions are happy to help these horrible, untrustworthy people in their quest for power, in which Brexit is just a tool, not the endgame.
 
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