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citizens_1976 said:
Kane is a very good player with his feet. A good link up player, can shoot with either foot, outside and inside the box. Good movement, works hard for the team, the only thing he lacks is genuine pace. That's it.
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He can still rap too.
 
Topbins said:
Sterling was already great before he came to us, his continued development was a shoe in. At 50 Mill, he was hardly a gamble. It was Pellegrini who held him back developmentally with the system he played. Wolfsburg developed de bruyne and its their where he kicked on from Chelsea, he was world class at Wolfsburg, before we bought him. Bernardo was world class at Monaco ripping City and others apart in the Champs league the season before we bought him.
Ederson was no2 in the Brazil national team and a regular for Benfica, who churn out talent regularly.

City and Pep can take credit but those guys were quality before they came to City.
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Are you actually a city fan??? If you don’t think pep has had a major influence on raz then you are unbelievably strange and naive
 
richards30 said:
Are you actually a city fan??? If you don’t think pep has had a major influence on raz then you are unbelievably strange and naive
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Point taken. I don't over inflate the influence of mangers on players. Yes of course Pep has had an influence but in terms of Sterling we're not talking Jordan Ibe, he was great before he hit City. The others even more so if you watched Kevin at Wolfsburg and Silva at Monaco.
 
Topbins said:
Point taken. I don't over inflate the influence of mangers on players. Yes of course Pep has had an influence but in terms of Sterling we're not talking Jordan Ibe, he was great before he hit City. The others even more so if you watched Kevin at Wolfsburg and Silva at Monaco.
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Yep even pep said he has to have the right players to achieve his ambitions! Bottom line though there has been many a good/great player who go to other clubs and don't perform! Pep keeps the hunger and standards that rarely are there with other managers pep is the difference you will see it when he leaves, out standards will drop us back to the pack.
 
Topbins said:
Sterling was already great before he came to us, his continued development was a shoe in. At 50 Mill, he was hardly a gamble. It was Pellegrini who held him back developmentally with the system he played. Wolfsburg developed de bruyne and its their where he kicked on from Chelsea, he was world class at Wolfsburg, before we bought him. Bernardo was world class at Monaco ripping City and others apart in the Champs league the season before we bought him.
Ederson was no2 in the Brazil national team and a regular for Benfica, who churn out talent regularly.

City and Pep can take credit but those guys were quality before they came to City.
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Sterling was good but everyone thought Pool rinsed City by getting £50m for him. Sterling now plays with a level of confidence and swagger never seen before. His continued development was never a given as his best season was the one where he played alongside Suarez one of the greatest PL attackers ever. He became a bit meh since Suarez left even before Pellers got hold of him.

KDB was never worldclass but had the makings of a to-be world class player by that incredible one season he had at Wolfsburg. He was a 10 but hardly the complete midfielder he now is. Before Pep we always had a dilemma playing Silva and KDB together because they both loved to play from the middle but Pep made them world class CMs and solved that problem. Yes Pep took him to another level.

Bernardo's game has gone up a notch or two. Ask portuguese nationals and they will tell you that. He previously rarely did anything of note when playing for the national team.

Ederson was hardly known. Yes the potential was always there but you can see that he has developed big time. On the contrary when you look at players like Pogba, Fred, Jorginho, etc can you say they have grown?
 
waspish said:
Yep even pep said he has to have the right players to achieve his ambitions! Bottom line though there has been many a good/great player who go to other clubs and don't perform! Pep keeps the hunger and standards that rarely are there with other managers pep is the difference you will see it when he leaves, out standards will drop us back to the pack.
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Your right.
Spot in actually.
The point I'm making is that Pep ain't plucking these players from Leyton Orient, the ability is already there more often than not we are talking seasoned or regular internationals which Sterling was when we bought him. He has improved under Pep but there is a context to it, one of which is that he was class prior to us buying him. This is perhaps the reason why we spent 50 million on him.
 
citizens_1976 said:
Our team would be considerably weakened with Jesus in it instead of Aguero.

I understand there isn't many options, but to replace Aguero you have to be prepared to spend some serious money.
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That first sentence is just hyperbole. The team is not weakened let alone considerably when jesus starts instead of aguero. If one thing the past season should've shown or taught anyone it would be that its the system that makes this side more so than any specific players' quality(outside of probably ederson).

Going into the season if anyone told you de-bruyne would be missing for large portions of the season through injury and that fernandinho would also miss most of the business end of it through injury would you have envisioned a treble winning season. A team that went through most of the season fighting for 4 competitions with zinchecko as its main left back.

Now does the side lose something without the likes of de-bruyne, fernandinho and even sane in the side, yes without a doubt. But does that make it weakened in any considerable way, no. The style of play never changes, they just find another way to dominate and create chances.

Aguero is a world class player and the current version of him is the best he's ever been, He's always been a deadly finisher and poacher in the box with immense dribbling ability but his link up play, pressing and awareness have all improved immensely from what they were before pep arrived. He's rightly cemented himself as the 1st choice striker this season after a period of uncertainty and him getting adapted to peps style of play during his first 2 seasons. Ironically despite still scoring at a good rate pep seemed to trust jesus more in his second season and there were some questioning(including even me) if he would ever adapt to the way pep wanted him to play which changed this season with him being the all-rounder pep wants.

That brings it to my next point. Gabriel jesus is not yet the same quality as aguero but is still a very good young player with intelligence and awareness of space beyond his years. That combined with his high work rate, good link-up play and technical ability means the team loses little if anything when he starts and is certainly not weakened. What if I told you the team scores at around the same rate of goals regardless of who starts between them would it be a surprise to you.

Basically to summarise, the team could win 5-0 with jesus starting and he may score just the one goal but would still be an important cog of the system due to his intelligence and movement allowing more space for the other attacking players to contribute more while in another instance with the same 5-0 scoreline but with aguero starting, aguero might score 4 due to his natural poaching ability and finishing. The team would win both games, the two players would contribute in their own separate ways to that victory and the fact that aguero scored the 4 goals compared to jesus' 1 doesn't mean the team were weakened as a result. It just means one has other qualities that benefits the team and system in its own way.

Not only do I believe jesus is a more than capable understudy, I also believe at just 22 he has a lot of room to improve where he would be one of the best strikers in the world and lead the team to many trophies. I don't get this idea that he's not good enough and the club needs to spend big to replace aguero.
 
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ojeme said:
Sterling was good but everyone thought Pool rinsed City by getting £50m for him. Sterling now plays with a level of confidence and swagger never seen before. His continued development was never a given as his best season was the one where he played alongside Suarez one of the greatest PL attackers ever. He became a bit meh since Suarez left even before Pellers got hold of him.

KDB was never worldclass but had the makings of a to-be world class player by that incredible one season he had at Wolfsburg. He was a 10 but hardly the complete midfielder he now is. Before Pep we always had a dilemma playing Silva and KDB together because they both loved to play from the middle but Pep made them world class CMs and solved that problem. Yes Pep took him to another level.

Bernardo's game has gone up a notch or two. Ask portuguese nationals and they will tell you that. He previously rarely did anything of note when playing for the national team.

Ederson was hardly known. Yes the potential was always there but you can see that he has developed big time. On the contrary when you look at players like Pogba, Fred, Jorginho, etc can you say they have grown?
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If that's how you see it.
Okay.
 
Topbins said:
Your right.
Spot in actually.
The point I'm making is that Pep ain't plucking these players from Leyton Orient, the ability is already there more often than not we are talking seasoned or regular internationals which Sterling was when we bought him. He has improved under Pep but there is a context to it, one of which is that he was class prior to us buying him. This is perhaps the reason why we spent 50 million on him.
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There is couple of examples though the likes of Delph for one season he was outstanding at left back and Zink has improved bought for a pittance.
 
ojeme said:
Sterling was good but everyone thought Pool rinsed City by getting £50m for him. Sterling now plays with a level of confidence and swagger never seen before. His continued development was never a given as his best season was the one where he played alongside Suarez one of the greatest PL attackers ever. He became a bit meh since Suarez left even before Pellers got hold of him.

KDB was never worldclass but had the makings of a to-be world class player by that incredible one season he had at Wolfsburg. He was a 10 but hardly the complete midfielder he now is. Before Pep we always had a dilemma playing Silva and KDB together because they both loved to play from the middle but Pep made them world class CMs and solved that problem. Yes Pep took him to another level.

Bernardo's game has gone up a notch or two. Ask portuguese nationals and they will tell you that. He previously rarely did anything of note when playing for the national team.

Ederson was hardly known. Yes the potential was always there but you can see that he has developed big time. On the contrary when you look at players like Pogba, Fred, Jorginho, etc can you say they have grown?
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Just a quick one though. Pep made Silva and Kdb world class CMs?
 
waspish said:
There is couple of examples though the likes of Delph for one season he was outstanding at left back and Zink has improved bought for a pittance.
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Yes, again your spot on there.
However, these are good players with strong personalities and technical ability, not Callum who has been kicking around in the reserves for Rotherham. I would have expected them to adapt to the circumstances and take there chance in this City side.
I think of the two though the work he has done with Zinchy has been very very impressive. Delph I think always had that in him adaptable and disciplined.
 
Topbins said:
Yes, again your spot on there.
However, these are good players with strong personalities and technical ability, not Callum who has been kicking around in the reserves for Rotherham. I would have expected them to adapt to the circumstances and take there chance in this City side.
I think of the two though the work he has done with Zinchy has been very very impressive. Delph I think always had that in him adaptable and disciplined.
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citizens_1976 said:
Ronaldo has been very good for Juve and any team in the world would be a better team with him in it, that is just a fact. Hazard will be an absolute star at Madrid, i don't even need to wait to see how he gets on because i know already how that one will fare. Another player that would walk into any team in Europe and instantly improve it.

I agree, i do think we are the best run football club in the world. The wage structure is near perfect, the way we get players tied to long contracts early is impressive, but all i am saying is, we are now in a position to loosen the purse strings as and when we need to. The market is relentless now and as good as we are as a business, we have to adapt to these changes.
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Ronaldo has changed the dynamics at Juventus and it certainly isn’t for the better. I work with two match going (when they’re not away for work) Italian Juventus supporters who can’t stand him and the general consensus is that he’s all about himself and ruins the team spirit/morale because it’s 10 players playing for him. So I’d hardly class that as very good, it was visible in their Champions League collapse to Ajax. The contrast between a team fighting for each other and Juventus just playing as individuals, usually you could put that down to the manager but 5 years shows that’s not the case. The owners went above Allegri’s head and that’s why it’s come to him leaving now.

The same things you say about Hazard were said about Pogba, Kante, Coutinho etc. there is no guarantees in football EVER!!

So we’re the best run club in the world, have just won a double followed by a treble (+1), have the majority of our players tied to long term contracts in a sensible wage structure based on rewarding hard work and success AND you want to change it?

Absolutely fucking clueless, genuinely it baffles me how people like you function day to day. It’s like talking to Paul Merson, only he talks more sense, has more financial awareness is probably less intoxicated judging by your posts.
 
citizens_1976 said:
Yes. A striker with a Goal record that can hold its own against Aguero's, and there aren't many players out there you can say that about. There's only really Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi who have much superior records and they are simply not obtainable in this market. I don't judge a players ability off a few games when he's not 100% fit post league season. Kane is a World Class Striker when he's fully fit and his goal record suggests that.
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He is indeed, however, again we ignore what is right between our eyes....

I know people underrate Jesus but fuck me!
 
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