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Gabriel said:
Strange one, because he’d be bound not to speak about it, so it leaves a vacuum for the media to speculate. That can be positive and negative.
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It is a really odd story for the Telegraph to write for that reason. Stewart can't say 'yes' (if he was), and is it a bad thing anyway?
 
MillionMilesAway said:
It is a really odd story for the Telegraph to write for that reason. Stewart can't say 'yes' (if he was), and is it a bad thing anyway?
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The way it has been ‘introduced’ smacks of people knowing there may be more to this and more to come. Its coverage and indeed non coverage of matters in this race has been interesting.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
I agree, screaming about debates and cunts is all a good laugh, but the Tories know that appointing a remainer
will mean their demise. The PLP is dominated by remainers, yet even most of them have realised this, hence his lead.
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All the screaming is, for the few of those that are genuine/honest, largely about his character etc.

For the rest it is absolutely and simply an extension of their antipathy towards anything Brexit related - they could/should be more honest about it

If you are seeking to achieve/avoid a certain outcome - in this case to be selected to be the Leader of the Conservative Party - then surely it is important to focus on the things that contribute to that achievement/avoidance and not spend nugatory effort on distractions

Using that simple plain and deniable logic - just why the fuck would Boris be interested in taking part in the 'debates' to date?

Every time he gets into a car he gets a barrage of questions from the media on the street - often of a personal level - and of course certain types of 'debates' will be used as opportunities for more of that

Of course there are going to be many occasions in the future when he is going to need to front up at debates - but this is not one of those occasions

Who are these people on here banging on and demanding that he does this or that debate - to answer these or those questions...…?

What is their role in the Conservative Party leadership selection process?

and - as we all know the answer to those questions:

Why would Boris Johnson not simply think - fuck 'em?
 
Gabriel said:
Telegraph must be concerned. It’s been championing Johnson and is reporting accusations today that Stewart had links with MI6 and might have been a spy.
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Yeah - spotted that.

My first thought was - why would that been seen as something that detracts in the minds of Tory members?
 
blueinsa said:
As a brexiteer I obviously don’t agree with Rory on that issue but that aside, he comes across as the most likeable of the lot and can see why he would gain support.

I’m no Tory either so brexit aside and wanting a PM who will deliver it I’m not interested who gets the gig but it’s a done deal for Boris by the looks of it.
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Another no Tory - and I agree - Stewart acquits himself very well.

But FFS he is just a better looking Theresa May - and with regards to Brexit he will be just as effective
 
waspish said:
With Rory also he doesnt agree with a referendum or trying to stay in! He wants us out! If by a miracle its Rory and Boris in last 2 it will be very close who wins it.
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Understand your thinking/logic - but I don't think so at all

The Conservative Party members are - the Conservative Party members...………

There are very many Conservative voters that will be attracted to Stewart's messages - but they are not involved in this selection process

If the printed analysis of the profile of members - those that will select the Leader - is accurate then it is a no-brainer
 
I've come to the conclusion that I want Johnson to win because I believe his proven incompetence will stop Brexit from happening, and his penchant for hyperbolic bullshit will enable him to present it as enough of a success to take the wind out of Farage's sails.
 
Blue Hefner said:
But this ‘remainer’, Stewart, is the only one that has actually voted for us to leave(3x)

You may not like the WA. But it is what it is

I used to work in drug treatment services and we’d get people who assure us they wanted to get clean but when pointed out that the most effective way of achieving the goal is to go to NA/AA meeting their standard response was ‘I don’t like meetings’ - as my senior colleague at the time said ‘what the fuck has ‘like’ got to do with anything, I’m not interested in what you like’

The point being that the most effective way of achieving Brexit is the deal on the table. No-deal is a thing of fantasy and any substantial change quite simply won’t happen

So either stay addicted(in the EU) or make the difficult life changing decision to go to the meetings(the WA)
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Johnson senior just interviewed on SKY news as put is finger on the way this will likely progress should Boris be appointed.

1. Scrap the WA
2. Confirm acceptance of the key principles of the FTA that was offered in 2016
3. Agree a 'standstill/transitionary period' during which the implementation will be undertaken
4. Agree as part of that to work out the solution to the Irish border issue.

They are all components and are not sequential

Seems entirely sensible to me - the Irish border issue, extremely important as it is, has been used as a 'tactical distraction/focus'.

IMO - If May had gone this way in 2016 I have no doubt that the EU and UK would have by now confirmed the blend of processes and technology that would manage the border issue(s) - and Ireland would have gone with it.
 
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mcfc1632 said:
Another no Tory - and I agree - Stewart acquits himself very well.

But FFS he is just a better looking Theresa May - and with regards to Brexit he will be just as effective
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Better looking Theresa May?
I have to disagree, Stewart does appear to be a very affable bloke, but he's got a face like an apple
with a bite out of it.
 
inbetween said:
I think he is a million miles away. The problem for them is Brexit cuts out some Labour voters and an even bigger problem is Tory voting remain supporters will never vote for Labour.

With the above it is impossible for Labour to attract more votes on policy alone as shown by their awful polling and by-election/EU results.

The fact is the biggest chunk of the country put in a Tory pro-Brexit government last time and they aren't going to suddenly vote for a pro-remain socialist government....

His only chance is a coalition either with the Lib Dems or the SNP but that means giving up his socialist agenda or going down as the person who signed away Scotland for a shot at power....
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Good assessment.It isn't just the fact that Corbyn is an archaic old loon,it's the thought of the dross he'll drag along with him into government that scares a lot of people, mainly Abbott, Rayner and Thornbury in high office.
 
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