Is Pep the greatest?

aguero93:20 said:
Mick McCarthy
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tolmie's hairdoo said:
There isn't another manager in world football whose teams are so readily identifiable and vastly different than Pep's.

That is what sets him apart. Long after he has gone.

He provides a core heartbeat and legacy, not a fly by night which will be gone with the passing of a torch.
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Similar to Cruyff at Barca, his legacy still exists 30 yrs later, Pep is a progressed version of his tenure, hopefully coaches like Arteta can fill similarly fill the void
 
Pep has transformed the way we play football and now, other coaches are learning that our traditional style of play will not win anything anymore. He will change the face of English football, and our club, forever. That takes someone very, very special.
 
Pep's won 6 of the last 7 domestic trophies, breaking about 27 Premier League and/or top flight all-time English records.

And people bang on about money but we've spent less than Fulham in the past year.

He's taken more points and won more games in a season, than anyone else in English football.
He's done the only ever domestic treble.

He's set the longest winning run in English top flight history.
He's scored the most goals in a season of any English side ever.

Could go on and on with his achievements but not enough time or space...

Yes, he's the greatest.
 
Boxing - Muhamnad Ali.
Football - Pep Guardiola.

The greatest. ;)
 
Blue Theatre said:
Pep's won 6 of the last 7 domestic trophies, breaking about 27 Premier League and/or top flight all-time English records.

And people bang on about money but we've spent less than Fulham in the past year.

He's taken more points and won more games in a season, than anyone else in English football.
He's done the only ever domestic treble.

He's set the longest winning run in English top flight history.
He's scored the most goals in a season of any English side ever.

Could go on and on with his achievements but not enough time or space...

Yes, he's the greatest.
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This all day long.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
I can only really comment on City managers, because they are the ones I’ve watched at close quarters throughout their tenures. Obviously you see the way the team play but also you see the interviews, the way fringe players are treated, the subs, the tactical changes, the morale in the squad...everything.

Pep is ten times as good as anybody we have ever had.
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Yup and yet I don’t feel he is adored as widely as he should be among our support; in addition to not getting enough recognition more widely for his achievements and brilliance.

We would not have won every domestic trophy in one season under any other coach,

I do ultimately expect him to be recognised as the GOAT.
 
Pep doesnt just change the football club he coaches , he changes the whole league , in Germany a lot of teams and the national team changed to his style of football and now in England , Southgate and half of the Premier league are emulating his playing style , that is a sign of true greatness when he has the ability to change the football philosophy of a football nation , he makes Klippety's style of football look neanderthal.
 
OB1 said:
Yup and yet I don’t feel he is adored as widely as he should be among our support; in addition to not getting enough recognition more widely for his achievements and brilliance.

We would not have won every domestic trophy in one season under any other coach,

I do ultimately expect him to be recognised as the GOAT.
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I agree. His brilliance is actually underrated. The way we finished this season, with no margin for error whatsoever, and he still managed to juggle squad rotation to keep the likes of Jesus, Foden and Mahrez involved, thus getting performances under pressure and increasing their chances of staying as potential fringe players, was just amazing and nobody but City fans could really see that.

I cannot see any situation where I go to my grave and I have seen a better manager. He's got it all.

And I remember a time when he got flack from blues for selling Joe Hart, playing out from the back etc. Don't hear that much now do we?
 
OB1 said:
Yup and yet I don’t feel he is adored as widely as he should be among our support; in addition to not getting enough recognition more widely for his achievements and brilliance.

We would not have won every domestic trophy in one season under any other coach,

I do ultimately expect him to be recognised as the GOAT.
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He's exceeded my wildest expectations. The greatest tribute I can pay him is that I can no longer watch fixtures involving other Premier League teams, without being aghast at the error count and general ineptitude on display.
 
I think it is hard to say who is the best, you can go off trophies , but surley the best coaches are the people who change ways of thinking about football, same as musicians ,think of a guitarist and you think of Hendrix, he may not be the best but he changed peoples thinking , as someone said pep doesn't just change teams,he changes leagues and national teams,so yes I really think he is the best and most innovative coach out there at the moment, or maybe credit goes to Johan Cruyff or the guy that started ajax on their way Rinus Michels, it was cruyffs vision that sparked pep
 
Exeter Blue I am here said:
He's exceeded my wildest expectations. The greatest tribute I can pay him is that I can no longer watch fixtures involving other Premier League teams, without being aghast at the error count and general ineptitude on display.
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im the same,i watch some teams and think what are you doing,

I was watching englands u21 ,and they are trying to play the way we play there is no doubt about that,however near the end they went back to the same old whack it into the channels ,kept on losing possession and ground and eventually they got beat , the should of kept on playing , down to the coaches who don't really believe in the "total football" and are just carrying out their instruction from above ,
 
For people who don't believe how much impact Pep has on other coaches in whichever country he has managed in, look at this quote from P.Neville last night:

Neville maintains his expansive, possession-based style is one he wants to persevere with.

"The style is non-negotiable however far we go," he said.

That is pretty much what Pep has been saying himself throughout his tenure at City. You watch all the setups for England (minus Boothroyd, who is a dinosaur with an incredibly talented group of players) you see they are taking huge pointers from Pep.

I remember going to a game in Pep's first season and fans were berating him. We were stuck in the car park so fans were just talking between cars with open windows saying how he had no clue about English football, well hasn't he fucking showed us it's actually US that know fuck all about football, full stop.
 
shevtheblue said:
For people who don't believe how much impact Pep has on other coaches in whichever country he has managed in, look at this quote from P.Neville last night:

Neville maintains his expansive, possession-based style is one he wants to persevere with.

"The style is non-negotiable however far we go," he said.

That is pretty much what Pep has been saying himself throughout his tenure at City. You watch all the setups for England (minus Boothroyd, who is a dinosaur with an incredibly talented group of players) you see they are taking huge pointers from Pep.

I remember going to a game in Pep's first season and fans were berating him. We were stuck in the car park so fans were just talking between cars with open windows saying how he had no clue about English football, well hasn't he fucking showed us it's actually US that know fuck all about football, full stop.
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I have to say that very early in Pep's time at City, I shuffled out of White Hart Lane shaking my head in disbelief at what then looked (to my untrained and unfamiliar eye) like Kolarov and Bravo assisted suicide. I still have heart failure on a regular basis, particularly when Ederson's doing Cruyff turns in our 6 yard box, but I know now that what I initially considered to be madness was in fact just a unique genius in the process of shaping his clay. I hope he stays at City forever.....
 
peace frog said:
I was watching englands u21 ,and they are trying to play the way we play there is no doubt about that,however near the end they went back to the same old whack it into the channels ,kept on losing possession and ground and eventually they got beat , the should of kept on playing , down to the coaches who don't really believe in the "total football" and are just carrying out their instruction from above
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I think there was an element of panic about that U21 game from the players themselves after the sending off, towards the end the players themselves bottled it for me, they didn't trust the system they were being asked to play, but lets face it few of them play it on a regular basis.

When City do it, we completely trust it, in pretty much every situation. A couple of games stood out for me last season. The Spurs home leg in the CL, if ever there was a game we were going to panic in, that was it, we didn't, we kept playing the way we knew worked, you can add Leicester to that, no panic just belief it would work. Only a genius can instil that belief into footballers, who lets face it are generally not the sharpest people.

I don't know what football was like in the 1930's, but Pep plays formations that appear to come from back then, all geared to attacking, a time when 100 league goals was not unusual for the champions, I don't know enough about those days to know if there was a similar genius way of playing, but I know I'll never see better than right now, perhaps someone my age thought similar in the 1930's, but there was a difference then, the whole league was closer, we even got relegated finishing only 16 points behind the champions (obviously 2 points per game then).
 
cleavers said:
I think there was an element of panic about that U21 game from the players themselves after the sending off, towards the end the players themselves bottled it for me, they didn't trust the system they were being asked to play, but lets face it few of them play it on a regular basis.

When City do it, we completely trust it, in pretty much every situation. A couple of games stood out for me last season. The Spurs home leg in the CL, if ever there was a game we were going to panic in, that was it, we didn't, we kept playing the way we knew worked, you can add Leicester to that, no panic just belief it would work. Only a genius can instil that belief into footballers, who lets face it are generally not the sharpest people.

I don't know what football was like in the 1930's, but Pep plays formations that appear to come from back then, all geared to attacking, a time when 100 league goals was not unusual for the champions, I don't know enough about those days to know if there was a similar genius way of playing, but I know I'll never see better than right now, perhaps someone my age thought similar in the 1930's, but there was a difference then, the whole league was closer, we even got relegated finishing only 16 points behind the champions (obviously 2 points per game then).
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I was really looking forward to see phil (in his age group) and went and missed the goal,however I thought france had far the better players,that lad who plays for lyon was a class above also like that ikone, ooops off topic ive got to be careful :)
 
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